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In wake of CEO shooting, Amazon creates Executive Protection role

13 points by laimewhisps 2y ago

billy99k 2y ago
Do you blame them?
- laimewhisps 2y ago
  It actually seems like they're spotlighting their execs and that they have been doing things that would make them a target.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Not any more than they would blame themselves, until they fail just once and blame it on others.
alsetmusic 2y ago
A podcast host commented how this event was having the most unifying effect online in recent memory. I think that’s absolutely accurate.
- tayistay 2y ago
  What podcast?
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    I’m not sure but you can see this in Reddit. Far left, right, and also the center subreddits have zero sympathy for United given high denial rates, likely illegal AI based denials, the breach of subsidiary Change Healthcare they leaked everyone’s private medical details, the insider trading from the CEO, etc. It highlights a massive unified appetite to bring megacorps under control.
  - alsetmusic 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure it was Chapo Traphouse. I'm a Patreon supporter, so it could have been on the extra subscription episode. It's a Leftist show.
- tptacek 2y ago
  It looks that way because we're all in a filter bubble, but I don't think there's much evidence that people generally support murdering executives as a productive theory of change. What you can say is that Twitter feels unified on this --- and even then that's a vibe, not a fact.
  - laimewhisps 2y ago
    I'm not in a filter bubble but I have seen many, completely opposing communities support this murder. On my town's FB tons of "regular" people are very enthusiastic about it. Same with both the left and the right on every platform I'm on. I would say there's a very small minority opposed to this and I haven't run across any of them in the real world.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      Sure you are. Literally everybody is. That you believe you aren't is (I know this is a slippery bit of rhetoric, but give it a moment's thought) itself a strong indicator. Bear in mind what you're saying here is that you haven't met a person who opposes the cold-blooded murder of a health insurance executive. That seems incredibly unlikely.
      - laimewhisps 2y ago
        If you have some sort of proof that people are upset by this action you should post it. Using ad hominem against me isn't accomplishing anything. You can't just claim people's observations are invalid because we're all in a "filter bubble".
      - thatswrong0 2y ago
        I haven’t met anyone my age who is disturbed by it. To me, anecdata seems to indicate that people who share my values, while not supporting murder, aren’t surprised about or aren’t opposed to instilling fear into the ruling class. Especially members of that class that participate in the killing of countless people through predatory business practices. Quel surprise
- xyst 2y ago
  In anonymous (logged out) context and VPN, I have seen comment sections of a right wing commentator speaking about the incident. The comment section was nearly unilaterally against the opinion of the commentator. Calling out how “out of touch” he was, and his “richness” was showing. Comeuppance was inevitable. Shit man, even Tim Walz throwing the usual “thoughts and prayers” line caught some serious flak across the aisle. Usually these types of incidents devolve into “gun” debates, “mental illness”. But this incident unified around how a mass murderer was killed. It was something I haven’t seen in a loong time.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    No murderer of any sort was killed in this incident. That's an absurd statement people are feeding you to get you the little dopamine kick of thinking exciting things are happening.
    - gaganyaan 2y ago
      The banality of evil right here. Whatever defense you have of this executive, it's just murder with extra steps.
      - tptacek 2y ago
        The real violence being done here is to the word "murder".
        sabbaticaldev 2y ago
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- znpy 2y ago
  > A podcast host commented how this event was having the most unifying effect online in recent memory. I think that’s absolutely accurate. I think it's unifying the two factions. The issues with healthcare in US has a long history. To be honest i think it was a matter of time before somebody did what happened. Regarding this specific CEO shooting: my rationality tells me i should condemn what happened, my empathy says I can't.
thinkingtoilet 2y ago
Exec A: "Should we treat workers better? Pay them more? Give people less of a reason to hate us?" Exec B: "No."
- cadamsau 2y ago
  It’s simpler to say no than to answer the next questions of “how much better”. Because no matter the answer, I promise someone somewhere won’t like it.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
    This is the classic 'slippery slope' fallacy where you rationalize that doing nothing is better than doing something.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Executives who act in unethical and exploitative ways are the ones who will fear public scrutiny and accountability the most. Instead of behaving fairly or letting the political process regulate them, leaders of these giant companies go into hiding and hire protection. It highlights which companies deserve the most regulation, in the view of the public.
wumeow 2y ago
This job was posted in November at the latest: https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/protective-services?keyword%5B%5D=Protection https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/pro...
daghamm 2y ago
Let's face it, if someone is really determined to get you and have some basic resources, if he doesn't eventually get you at least he is able to make your life much less enjoyable. Just consider how hard it is to avoid paparazzis...
somethingsaid 2y ago
Is this new? The protective services section has jobs older then the shooting, and there are news stories about Bezos having personal security that go back years. https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/protective-services https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/pro... https://www.vulture.com/2016/07/jeff-bezos-has-a-role-in-star-trek-beyond.html https://www.vulture.com/2016/07/jeff-bezos-has-a-role-in-sta...
xyst 2y ago
> The base pay for this position ranges from $79,500/year in our lowest geographic market up to $170,000/year in our highest geographic market. Between a $79K-$170K base salary to protect silver spoon multimillion dollar assholes? With 24/7 on call availability? This is a multibillion dollar company by the way. Cheap fucks. At best, this gets you a drunkard on the job that flunked out of the corps or dishonorably discharged. Maybe even a mall cop at best. Maybe this position became required as part of insurance on C-level executives.
- silverquiet 2y ago
  I don't really know the market, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of security guards make significantly less than the bottom of that range.
- belter 2y ago
  I noticed that... :-) That is a delivery driver salary....
- neverClicking 2y ago
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- RGamma 2y ago
  With those sorts of requirements as listed they're missing a zero in this offering. Kinda telling how they're trying to cheap out even their leading security personnel, but it's just another cost center, no?
- Ancapistani 2y ago
  Do you by chance live in a large city known for tech jobs? I live in Arkansas, and $79k here would get you a career security specialist. The one person I know off the top of my head regularly does security work for large concert venues and celebrities. He's got ~20 years experience doing security work, is ex-military, a licensed and bonded security guard, and has law enforcement credentials. He owns and operates a small dojo. Paying more in the area wouldn't get you more qualified candidates because more qualified candidates don't exist here.
2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago
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Chengdavid 2y ago
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13 points by laimewhisps 2y ago

billy99k 2y ago

Do you blame them?

laimewhisps 2y ago
It actually seems like they're spotlighting their execs and that they have been doing things that would make them a target.
talldayo 2y ago
Not any more than they would blame themselves, until they fail just once and blame it on others.

alsetmusic 2y ago

A podcast host commented how this event was having the most unifying effect online in recent memory. I think that’s absolutely accurate.

tayistay 2y ago
What podcast?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  I’m not sure but you can see this in Reddit. Far left, right, and also the center subreddits have zero sympathy for United given high denial rates, likely illegal AI based denials, the breach of subsidiary Change Healthcare they leaked everyone’s private medical details, the insider trading from the CEO, etc. It highlights a massive unified appetite to bring megacorps under control.
- alsetmusic 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure it was Chapo Traphouse. I'm a Patreon supporter, so it could have been on the extra subscription episode. It's a Leftist show.
tptacek 2y ago
It looks that way because we're all in a filter bubble, but I don't think there's much evidence that people generally support murdering executives as a productive theory of change. What you can say is that Twitter feels unified on this --- and even then that's a vibe, not a fact.
- laimewhisps 2y ago
  I'm not in a filter bubble but I have seen many, completely opposing communities support this murder. On my town's FB tons of "regular" people are very enthusiastic about it. Same with both the left and the right on every platform I'm on. I would say there's a very small minority opposed to this and I haven't run across any of them in the real world.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Sure you are. Literally everybody is. That you believe you aren't is (I know this is a slippery bit of rhetoric, but give it a moment's thought) itself a strong indicator. Bear in mind what you're saying here is that you haven't met a person who opposes the cold-blooded murder of a health insurance executive. That seems incredibly unlikely.
    - laimewhisps 2y ago
      If you have some sort of proof that people are upset by this action you should post it. Using ad hominem against me isn't accomplishing anything. You can't just claim people's observations are invalid because we're all in a "filter bubble".
    - thatswrong0 2y ago
      I haven’t met anyone my age who is disturbed by it. To me, anecdata seems to indicate that people who share my values, while not supporting murder, aren’t surprised about or aren’t opposed to instilling fear into the ruling class. Especially members of that class that participate in the killing of countless people through predatory business practices. Quel surprise
xyst 2y ago
In anonymous (logged out) context and VPN, I have seen comment sections of a right wing commentator speaking about the incident. The comment section was nearly unilaterally against the opinion of the commentator. Calling out how “out of touch” he was, and his “richness” was showing. Comeuppance was inevitable. Shit man, even Tim Walz throwing the usual “thoughts and prayers” line caught some serious flak across the aisle. Usually these types of incidents devolve into “gun” debates, “mental illness”. But this incident unified around how a mass murderer was killed. It was something I haven’t seen in a loong time.
- tptacek 2y ago
  No murderer of any sort was killed in this incident. That's an absurd statement people are feeding you to get you the little dopamine kick of thinking exciting things are happening.
  - gaganyaan 2y ago
    The banality of evil right here. Whatever defense you have of this executive, it's just murder with extra steps.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      The real violence being done here is to the word "murder".
      - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
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znpy 2y ago
> A podcast host commented how this event was having the most unifying effect online in recent memory. I think that’s absolutely accurate. I think it's unifying the two factions. The issues with healthcare in US has a long history. To be honest i think it was a matter of time before somebody did what happened. Regarding this specific CEO shooting: my rationality tells me i should condemn what happened, my empathy says I can't.

thinkingtoilet 2y ago

Exec A: "Should we treat workers better? Pay them more? Give people less of a reason to hate us?" Exec B: "No."

cadamsau 2y ago
It’s simpler to say no than to answer the next questions of “how much better”. Because no matter the answer, I promise someone somewhere won’t like it.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
  This is the classic 'slippery slope' fallacy where you rationalize that doing nothing is better than doing something.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

Executives who act in unethical and exploitative ways are the ones who will fear public scrutiny and accountability the most. Instead of behaving fairly or letting the political process regulate them, leaders of these giant companies go into hiding and hire protection. It highlights which companies deserve the most regulation, in the view of the public.

wumeow 2y ago

This job was posted in November at the latest: https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/protective-services?keyword%5B%5D=Protection https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/pro...

daghamm 2y ago

Let's face it, if someone is really determined to get you and have some basic resources, if he doesn't eventually get you at least he is able to make your life much less enjoyable. Just consider how hard it is to avoid paparazzis...

somethingsaid 2y ago

Is this new? The protective services section has jobs older then the shooting, and there are news stories about Bezos having personal security that go back years. https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/protective-services https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/teams/amazon-security/pro... https://www.vulture.com/2016/07/jeff-bezos-has-a-role-in-star-trek-beyond.html https://www.vulture.com/2016/07/jeff-bezos-has-a-role-in-sta...

xyst 2y ago

> The base pay for this position ranges from $79,500/year in our lowest geographic market up to $170,000/year in our highest geographic market. Between a $79K-$170K base salary to protect silver spoon multimillion dollar assholes? With 24/7 on call availability? This is a multibillion dollar company by the way. Cheap fucks. At best, this gets you a drunkard on the job that flunked out of the corps or dishonorably discharged. Maybe even a mall cop at best. Maybe this position became required as part of insurance on C-level executives.

silverquiet 2y ago
I don't really know the market, but I'm willing to bet the vast majority of security guards make significantly less than the bottom of that range.
belter 2y ago
I noticed that... :-) That is a delivery driver salary....
neverClicking 2y ago
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RGamma 2y ago
With those sorts of requirements as listed they're missing a zero in this offering. Kinda telling how they're trying to cheap out even their leading security personnel, but it's just another cost center, no?
Ancapistani 2y ago
Do you by chance live in a large city known for tech jobs? I live in Arkansas, and $79k here would get you a career security specialist. The one person I know off the top of my head regularly does security work for large concert venues and celebrities. He's got ~20 years experience doing security work, is ex-military, a licensed and bonded security guard, and has law enforcement credentials. He owns and operates a small dojo. Paying more in the area wouldn't get you more qualified candidates because more qualified candidates don't exist here.

2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago

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Chengdavid 2y ago

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