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um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what a majority, somewhat historic in the context that no Republican president has won the popular vote in 20 ye

by zzzeek 2y ago

um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what a majority, somewhat historic in the context that no Republican president has won the popular vote in 20 years, of Americans just voted for. Look forward to alarming levels of healthcare privatization in the next four years unfortunately with players like Dr Oz (who is explicitly looking to make Medicare Advantage more the default) and Jay Bhattacharya in leading key healthcare roles https://prospect.org/health/2024-11-26-dr-oz-stealth-destruction-of-medicare/ https://prospect.org/health/2024-11-26-dr-oz-stealth-destruc... > A key part of that strategy is to expand the private Medicare Advantage program and push more and more Medicare recipients into it, leading to a death spiral of traditional public Medicare. The details are spelled out in the Project 2025 blueprint.

llamaimperative 2y ago
> um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Not really. ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, and VA's health insurance programs are all extremely popular among voters. There are lots of issues on the ballot, and approximately no one was voting for Trump's nonexistent "concept of a plan" for healthcare. Feel free to post evidence of "an overwhelming majority" of people voting for Trump's healthcare plan to back up your initial claim, if you'd like. By the way, the popular vote had less than a 1.5% margin. There was no "overwhelming majority" in any sense. This was the 49th largest "overwhelming majority" victory ever by popular vote and the 44th largest victory by Electoral College vote. That is to say: an extremely tight race by any measure.
- zzzeek 2y ago
  Opinion polls arent the same as elections and the people voted in favor of expansion of Medicare Advantage whether that's their preference or not. Considering no Republican president has won the popular vote in 20 years, the relatively small majority popular vote margin is nonetheless quite dramatic in the context of recent history.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Huh? Here's what you said prior to your edit (though your edit isn't actually responsive to my counterargument anyway): > um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Please substantiate your claim. There was no overwhelming majority, and even if there were, it does not at all mean that people voted for this particular policy. Again: you're free to provide evidence otherwise.
    - zzzeek 2y ago
      it's not at all the primary point i was making and the army of HN pedants to argue about a particular poorly chosen adjective to pretend somehow that the more important point I made is moot is as usual very tiresome, I edited the post to remove the offending adjective.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Your primary point is there is strong public sentiment toward healthcare privatization. There is no evidence of this claim. If you have any, please provide it. You attempted to provide the election which is not valid evidence for several reasons. There is no evidence of a mandate from the public in the direction you’re suggesting there is.
- archagon 2y ago
  It doesn’t matter how popular those programs are. Rich Republicans are furious that their taxes are funding public health care and will stop at nothing to get “their” money back. And now they have full control of the government.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I don't disagree with this. I was taking issue with the characterization that the American people actually want this.
lapcat 2y ago
> um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Point taken about the election outcome, but to quibble, it wasn't "an overwhelming majority of Americans". It was a bare majority of voters. Trump got 50% of the vote with 64% turnout, so it was under a third of the eligible voting population, and of course nobody under age 18.
inferiorhuman 2y ago
overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Trump won with a plurality of 64% of registered voters which works out to about 45% of the overall population. Put another way, less than a quarter of the population voted for this shit.

by zzzeek 2y ago

llamaimperative 2y ago

> um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Not really. ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, and VA's health insurance programs are all extremely popular among voters. There are lots of issues on the ballot, and approximately no one was voting for Trump's nonexistent "concept of a plan" for healthcare. Feel free to post evidence of "an overwhelming majority" of people voting for Trump's healthcare plan to back up your initial claim, if you'd like. By the way, the popular vote had less than a 1.5% margin. There was no "overwhelming majority" in any sense. This was the 49th largest "overwhelming majority" victory ever by popular vote and the 44th largest victory by Electoral College vote. That is to say: an extremely tight race by any measure.

zzzeek 2y ago
Opinion polls arent the same as elections and the people voted in favor of expansion of Medicare Advantage whether that's their preference or not. Considering no Republican president has won the popular vote in 20 years, the relatively small majority popular vote margin is nonetheless quite dramatic in the context of recent history.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Huh? Here's what you said prior to your edit (though your edit isn't actually responsive to my counterargument anyway): > um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Please substantiate your claim. There was no overwhelming majority, and even if there were, it does not at all mean that people voted for this particular policy. Again: you're free to provide evidence otherwise.
  - zzzeek 2y ago
    it's not at all the primary point i was making and the army of HN pedants to argue about a particular poorly chosen adjective to pretend somehow that the more important point I made is moot is as usual very tiresome, I edited the post to remove the offending adjective.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Your primary point is there is strong public sentiment toward healthcare privatization. There is no evidence of this claim. If you have any, please provide it. You attempted to provide the election which is not valid evidence for several reasons. There is no evidence of a mandate from the public in the direction you’re suggesting there is.
archagon 2y ago
It doesn’t matter how popular those programs are. Rich Republicans are furious that their taxes are funding public health care and will stop at nothing to get “their” money back. And now they have full control of the government.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  I don't disagree with this. I was taking issue with the characterization that the American people actually want this.

lapcat 2y ago

> um, that's kind of....the diametric opposite of what an overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Point taken about the election outcome, but to quibble, it wasn't "an overwhelming majority of Americans". It was a bare majority of voters. Trump got 50% of the vote with 64% turnout, so it was under a third of the eligible voting population, and of course nobody under age 18.

inferiorhuman 2y ago

overwhelming majority of Americans just voted for. Trump won with a plurality of 64% of registered voters which works out to about 45% of the overall population. Put another way, less than a quarter of the population voted for this shit.