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Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? And if that's the case, isn't that a noble goal that all citizens and institutions of democr

by Teever 2y ago

Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? And if that's the case, isn't that a noble goal that all citizens and institutions of democratic societies should strive to do? If all major websites did this it would severely degrade the ability of the CCP to function and they may be forced to stop denying the atrocities that they've committed.

Barrin92 2y ago
>Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? No, the intent is to discriminate against Chinese people. I've lived and worked in Japan, stereotyping of Chinese and Koreans as the article points out is common. If you wanted to convince young Chinese students of democracy you'd probably take them up on the opportunity to educate and have a dialog with them. That is the liberal democratic way, instead of aiding their government in censoring them. There's nothing democratic about some random person at a public institution pulling a stunt like this, they have no authority to do so. If they don't like what students are coming to their university, in a democracy they're free to vote for people who want to change that.
- Teever 2y ago
  Do you think there is ever a role in using an authoritarian's tools like censorship against them? Why or why not? If so why is this particular instance not a good example of it?
  - Barrin92 2y ago
    No, I don't believe in using authoritarian tools as a means to an end because that means you've already given up believing in the strength of your own values. At that point you've already accepted the authoritarian's point of view. They justify their measures the exact same way. And this case in particular, anyone who reduces an 18 year old Chinese kid, who had no choice in what system they grew up in to "the CCP", not even treats them like a real individual, they have a lot of poison in their heart and I think don't care about liberty, or education or democracy as much as the pretend to do.
    - Teever 2y ago
      This is a grossly uncharitable interpretation of my comment. I specifically mentioned the CCP to distinguish it from Chinese citizens who I consider to be oppressed by the parasitical CCP. Your position regarding not using the tools of an authoritarian entity against them is untenable. Would you also refuse to use the the mass surveillance apparatus that the CCP has constructed to find weaknesses in their system to exploit with the purpose of bringing out revolution in China?
gruez 2y ago
>Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? Given that US sanctions hasn't caused the CCP to change their behavior, I think it's fair to say that the actual impact of the CS department putting an anti-CCP keyword on their home page to be approximately zero. >If all major websites did this it would severely degrade the ability of the CCP to function and they may be forced to stop denying the atrocities that they've committed. China blocks major sites like facebook, most western media, and all of google, and they seem to be doing fine. Adding a japanese university to that list, can again be rounded to approximately zero.

by Teever 2y ago

Barrin92 2y ago

>Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? No, the intent is to discriminate against Chinese people. I've lived and worked in Japan, stereotyping of Chinese and Koreans as the article points out is common. If you wanted to convince young Chinese students of democracy you'd probably take them up on the opportunity to educate and have a dialog with them. That is the liberal democratic way, instead of aiding their government in censoring them. There's nothing democratic about some random person at a public institution pulling a stunt like this, they have no authority to do so. If they don't like what students are coming to their university, in a democracy they're free to vote for people who want to change that.

Teever 2y ago
Do you think there is ever a role in using an authoritarian's tools like censorship against them? Why or why not? If so why is this particular instance not a good example of it?
- Barrin92 2y ago
  No, I don't believe in using authoritarian tools as a means to an end because that means you've already given up believing in the strength of your own values. At that point you've already accepted the authoritarian's point of view. They justify their measures the exact same way. And this case in particular, anyone who reduces an 18 year old Chinese kid, who had no choice in what system they grew up in to "the CCP", not even treats them like a real individual, they have a lot of poison in their heart and I think don't care about liberty, or education or democracy as much as the pretend to do.
  - Teever 2y ago
    This is a grossly uncharitable interpretation of my comment. I specifically mentioned the CCP to distinguish it from Chinese citizens who I consider to be oppressed by the parasitical CCP. Your position regarding not using the tools of an authoritarian entity against them is untenable. Would you also refuse to use the the mass surveillance apparatus that the CCP has constructed to find weaknesses in their system to exploit with the purpose of bringing out revolution in China?

gruez 2y ago

>Or is the intent to resist the authoritarian behaviour of the CCP? Given that US sanctions hasn't caused the CCP to change their behavior, I think it's fair to say that the actual impact of the CS department putting an anti-CCP keyword on their home page to be approximately zero. >If all major websites did this it would severely degrade the ability of the CCP to function and they may be forced to stop denying the atrocities that they've committed. China blocks major sites like facebook, most western media, and all of google, and they seem to be doing fine. Adding a japanese university to that list, can again be rounded to approximately zero.