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Maybe they want the Chinese students who are smart enough to open their eyes to the world.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
You mean a Chinese student who bypasses government restrictions? Yes, surely such a student will be great at your university and follow all your rules...
- kbelder 2y ago
  You're making a different point than you think...
- seeknotfind 2y ago
  A student who believes in the freedom of information and is curious probably will do great in school. A great institution understands rules are meant to uplift and protect us, and that a student who sees beyond black ink and chiseled stone for a better tomorrow is the very same breed of rule maker which creates such great institutions in the first place. I know first hand from colleagues, bypassing the censorship is common for intelligent youth in China. We must always ask ourselves what the best is we can do and always avoid the "dangerous slippery slopes"
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Japan generally doesn't see rules as meant to uplift people, they are meant to instill discipline. Look, I'm on HN, I agree with looking beyond rules and freeing information. But universities and institutions generally don't want to be filled with non-conformists
slightwinder 2y ago
Usually, users are not seeing the keywords. It's hidden from their eyes.
gruez 2y ago
Still racism, even if there is a noble goal behind it. If an university in the US deliberately skipped over black schools when it came to recruitment drives, with the excuse that "they want the black students who are persistent enough", they would (and should) be raked over the coals for racism.
- baq 2y ago
  Japan is not US and Chinese are not black. Context is everything.
  - gruez 2y ago
    I'm not even sure what you're arguing for. Are you claiming that "racism" means different things in US compared to china? Or that "context" needs to be considered when determining whether an act is racist?
    - baq 2y ago
      Yes, I’m arguing that. Japanese racism against Chinese (and vice versa) is very different from white-black in the states.
      - gruez 2y ago
        I fail to see how "context" can materially change whether an act is racist or not. There might be some edge cases around "dog whistles" or whatever, but hard to see how this act isn't an intentional act to dissuade chinese students from applying. That's racism. How does the history between chinese and japenese materially change this?

aprilthird2021 2y ago

You mean a Chinese student who bypasses government restrictions? Yes, surely such a student will be great at your university and follow all your rules...

kbelder 2y ago
You're making a different point than you think...
seeknotfind 2y ago
A student who believes in the freedom of information and is curious probably will do great in school. A great institution understands rules are meant to uplift and protect us, and that a student who sees beyond black ink and chiseled stone for a better tomorrow is the very same breed of rule maker which creates such great institutions in the first place. I know first hand from colleagues, bypassing the censorship is common for intelligent youth in China. We must always ask ourselves what the best is we can do and always avoid the "dangerous slippery slopes"
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Japan generally doesn't see rules as meant to uplift people, they are meant to instill discipline. Look, I'm on HN, I agree with looking beyond rules and freeing information. But universities and institutions generally don't want to be filled with non-conformists

slightwinder 2y ago

Usually, users are not seeing the keywords. It's hidden from their eyes.

gruez 2y ago

Still racism, even if there is a noble goal behind it. If an university in the US deliberately skipped over black schools when it came to recruitment drives, with the excuse that "they want the black students who are persistent enough", they would (and should) be raked over the coals for racism.

baq 2y ago
Japan is not US and Chinese are not black. Context is everything.
- gruez 2y ago
  I'm not even sure what you're arguing for. Are you claiming that "racism" means different things in US compared to china? Or that "context" needs to be considered when determining whether an act is racist?
  - baq 2y ago
    Yes, I’m arguing that. Japanese racism against Chinese (and vice versa) is very different from white-black in the states.
    - gruez 2y ago
      I fail to see how "context" can materially change whether an act is racist or not. There might be some edge cases around "dog whistles" or whatever, but hard to see how this act isn't an intentional act to dissuade chinese students from applying. That's racism. How does the history between chinese and japenese materially change this?