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The other only way a price based system will work is if providers are required to show the bill ahead of time, with full insurance coverage and noncoverage clea

The other only way a price based system will work is if providers are required to show the bill ahead of time, with full insurance coverage and noncoverage clearly laid out, that is binding to the hospital and the insurance company. That must be signed off by a conscious capable representative. Yeah how does that work for emergencies and other situations? It doesn't! Just like hospitals unable to or refuse to disclose prices. The system isn't working, it's a steadily sinking ship that the four pigs of medical care: doctors, insurance companies, drug device makers, and trial lawyers feast at while they can. With political parties in realignment, you'd think that Republicans who are pro working class under trump (allegedly) and Democrats who are pro poor (allegedly) could enact real reform, but I stead the chaos of current politics means corporate even more control Because corruption is definitely up on both parties since the advent of trumpism.

nickjj 2y ago
> Just like hospitals unable to or refuse to disclose prices. Yep or they give an estimate which explicitly says it can change based on the procedure's outcome and then your real bill is 3x the estimate even though you have signed paperwork from a doctor saying nothing out of the ordinary happened so you call your insurance company and mention this and they immediately deny your grievance form and say you're responsible for the full amount that's not covered. Then you bring this up with the hospital and they say "an estimate is what it is, there's nothing we can do" and then you ask for them to assign you to someone who can walk you through the itemized bill which says stuff like "Code 0234 Unknown" and explain why it costs $6,354 dollars and they don't comply. This is all after you've called half a dozen departments ahead of time to try and get an accurate price quote but were denied by everyone. It's no surprise that bills get sent to collections. For anyone out there in the US, I highly encourage you to record every single phone conversation you have with anything medical related. It will save you.
mancerayder 2y ago
It's funny that if you talk about the top issues Americans worry about, health care is one of them. What are the top issues as perceived by Republicans and Democrats? They range from gender equality, race, immigration, crime, trans issues - basically anything controversial. Healthcare is less controversial. And there's big buy-in for change by Americans. So what's happening? Are the two parties so bribed by lobbying efforts that democracy is canceled on this topic?
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  It's not surprising because everything you just listed for the top issues are wedge issues Those are the issues that will drive votes either distinctly, Democratic or Republican. Neither are the Democrats or the Republicans are actually interested in healthcare because the powers that be and their funders don't want it to change

nickjj 2y ago

> Just like hospitals unable to or refuse to disclose prices. Yep or they give an estimate which explicitly says it can change based on the procedure's outcome and then your real bill is 3x the estimate even though you have signed paperwork from a doctor saying nothing out of the ordinary happened so you call your insurance company and mention this and they immediately deny your grievance form and say you're responsible for the full amount that's not covered. Then you bring this up with the hospital and they say "an estimate is what it is, there's nothing we can do" and then you ask for them to assign you to someone who can walk you through the itemized bill which says stuff like "Code 0234 Unknown" and explain why it costs $6,354 dollars and they don't comply. This is all after you've called half a dozen departments ahead of time to try and get an accurate price quote but were denied by everyone. It's no surprise that bills get sent to collections. For anyone out there in the US, I highly encourage you to record every single phone conversation you have with anything medical related. It will save you.

mancerayder 2y ago

It's funny that if you talk about the top issues Americans worry about, health care is one of them. What are the top issues as perceived by Republicans and Democrats? They range from gender equality, race, immigration, crime, trans issues - basically anything controversial. Healthcare is less controversial. And there's big buy-in for change by Americans. So what's happening? Are the two parties so bribed by lobbying efforts that democracy is canceled on this topic?

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
It's not surprising because everything you just listed for the top issues are wedge issues Those are the issues that will drive votes either distinctly, Democratic or Republican. Neither are the Democrats or the Republicans are actually interested in healthcare because the powers that be and their funders don't want it to change