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I'm unconvinced. Lots of people are increasingly fine with just phones. My dad I sort of see but I had a co-worker who told me their kid didn't even want a lapt

by ghaff 2y ago

I'm unconvinced. Lots of people are increasingly fine with just phones. My dad I sort of see but I had a co-worker who told me their kid didn't even want a laptop for schoolwork which blew my mind a bit but so it goes. Any hybrid would be a compromise for me. I do have multiple systems--almost certainly more than I need.

ksd482 2y ago
orev is not talking about people. He's talking about market forces. That is, device manufacturing companies.
- ghaff 2y ago
  I don't see who is refusing to sell you a phone with various attachments that make a workable computer (especially given 3rd party providers). I just bought such with an iPad. You could do something along the same lines with an iPhone I suppose but I'd probably find it unsatisfactory. Still on the fence whether the iPad is still a fully satisfactory companion device for traveling in general.
  - orev 2y ago
    In the Apple ecosystem, the one “refusing to sell you…” is Apple, and not only the required peripherals but also not making the software work that way. Because if they did, then you wouldn’t need to buy a Mac.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Macs are not especially relevant to Apple revenue at this point. iPad plus magnetic keyboard is getting pretty close. Still not sure that better multitasking would push me over the edge to not wanting a MacBook for serious day-to-day multitasking work. I do think they're trending in that direction but I actually like that they're not pushing people faster than feels comfortable. I expect to see a convergence of iPads and at least MacBook Airs but we're not quite there yet.
jillyboel 2y ago
> who told me their kid didn't even want a laptop for schoolwork which blew my mind a bit but so it goes Some people insist on self sabotaging. It's sad.
- ghaff 2y ago
  Seems pretty judgmental even if I'm not really in a position to weigh in on whether it's a particularly bad idea or not.
  - jillyboel 2y ago
    If you're in school you will have to write papers. It is objectively a worse experience to do so on a phone than on a full sized keyboard and screen.
    - Lariscus 2y ago
      A piece of paper and any kind of pencil will do just fine for writing papers. There is no need for a laptop.
      - ghaff 2y ago
        Don't know what schools typically require these days. But I generally agree that requiring laptops, especially in younger grades, seems unnecessary.
coldtea 2y ago
>a co-worker who told me their kid didn't even want a laptop for schoolwork It's not like kids ever wanted computers for schoolwork in general...
- KeplerBoy 2y ago
  They absolutely did. Back in the early 2000 everyone in my friend group would tell their parents that they needed a powerful PC for schoolwork and that's how they got gaming PCs.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    Yes, so still: it's not like kids ever wanted computers for schoolwork in general. Saying they wanted computers for schoolwork, is another matter.
    - KeplerBoy 2y ago
      Sure, that's true. Growing up without access to a proper computer still seems weird to me. How do we expect kids to build computing literacy?
      - ghaff 2y ago
        Certainly I never developed any computer literacy growing up--and, indeed in college. And I worked in the computer industry most of my adult life.
        KeplerBoy 2y ago
        I'm not sure how to interpret your comment. Do you think kids should be exposed to proper computers or do you think it doesn't matter and can always be picked up later.

by ghaff 2y ago

ksd482 2y ago

orev is not talking about people. He's talking about market forces. That is, device manufacturing companies.

ghaff 2y ago
I don't see who is refusing to sell you a phone with various attachments that make a workable computer (especially given 3rd party providers). I just bought such with an iPad. You could do something along the same lines with an iPhone I suppose but I'd probably find it unsatisfactory. Still on the fence whether the iPad is still a fully satisfactory companion device for traveling in general.
- orev 2y ago
  In the Apple ecosystem, the one “refusing to sell you…” is Apple, and not only the required peripherals but also not making the software work that way. Because if they did, then you wouldn’t need to buy a Mac.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    Macs are not especially relevant to Apple revenue at this point. iPad plus magnetic keyboard is getting pretty close. Still not sure that better multitasking would push me over the edge to not wanting a MacBook for serious day-to-day multitasking work. I do think they're trending in that direction but I actually like that they're not pushing people faster than feels comfortable. I expect to see a convergence of iPads and at least MacBook Airs but we're not quite there yet.

jillyboel 2y ago

> who told me their kid didn't even want a laptop for schoolwork which blew my mind a bit but so it goes Some people insist on self sabotaging. It's sad.

ghaff 2y ago
Seems pretty judgmental even if I'm not really in a position to weigh in on whether it's a particularly bad idea or not.
- jillyboel 2y ago
  If you're in school you will have to write papers. It is objectively a worse experience to do so on a phone than on a full sized keyboard and screen.
  - Lariscus 2y ago
    A piece of paper and any kind of pencil will do just fine for writing papers. There is no need for a laptop.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Don't know what schools typically require these days. But I generally agree that requiring laptops, especially in younger grades, seems unnecessary.

coldtea 2y ago

>a co-worker who told me their kid didn't even want a laptop for schoolwork It's not like kids ever wanted computers for schoolwork in general...

KeplerBoy 2y ago
They absolutely did. Back in the early 2000 everyone in my friend group would tell their parents that they needed a powerful PC for schoolwork and that's how they got gaming PCs.
- coldtea 2y ago
  Yes, so still: it's not like kids ever wanted computers for schoolwork in general. Saying they wanted computers for schoolwork, is another matter.
  - KeplerBoy 2y ago
    Sure, that's true. Growing up without access to a proper computer still seems weird to me. How do we expect kids to build computing literacy?
    - ghaff 2y ago
      Certainly I never developed any computer literacy growing up--and, indeed in college. And I worked in the computer industry most of my adult life.
      - KeplerBoy 2y ago
        I'm not sure how to interpret your comment. Do you think kids should be exposed to proper computers or do you think it doesn't matter and can always be picked up later.