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I like Grapes of Wrath, but I don't think that's a solid understanding of the current situation . I think that almost all of my friends who voted for Trump did
by scarecrowbob 2y ago
I like Grapes of Wrath, but I don't think that's a solid understanding of the current situation .
I think that almost all of my friends who voted for Trump did so precisely because they think the US is exploitative in a variety of ways. They are often quite subject to that exploitation and aware of many of its specifics.
From my position, which is anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian (or left libertarian, or anarchist or whatever label you'd use), they have very misguided understandings of the specifics of that exploitation.
However, also from my position my many friends who voted for Harris also have similar shortcomings in their understandings of the world. My understanding is that 15M or so folks decided that Harris was not a candidate who wold make their lives better.
The fact that the Democrats absolutely did not fix this system begs the question of why it did not get fixed.
My understanding is that they did not want to fix the system, or that there are structural issues in the system which make it functionally impossible to reform. I believe that it could be reformed, but that since the donating classes to the parties did not want it the ACA became a massive handout to the insurance industry instead of some more universally solved solution.
Thus your position that folks aren't voting for "candidates that will help make their life better" could be read in a couple of ways and I find it a bit ambiguous as stated.
Like, I typically read stuff like that as saying "if they'd voted for KH, then this could at least maybe get fixed". But that feels internally contradictory given that when people did vote for a similar hope-and-change candidate it did not make things markedly better.
At the same time, I think that folks stopped voting largely not out of apathay but out of a real awareness that they aren't selecting from "candidates that will help make their life better".
So my position is that folks actually are voting for Trump for the same reasons they were previously voting for folks like Obama and not, for instance, for the Steinbeck-ian rational that led them to vote for Reagan or the Bush family.
- relaxing 2y ago> My understanding is that they did not want to fix the system, or that there are structural issues in the system which make it functionally impossible to reform. I beg you, read one article on how the US legislature functions. The bottom line is change is possible, if enough Americans vote as though they are not temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
- scarecrowbob 2y agoI mean, "monkeys might fly out of my butt" is possible, I suppose. And it seems to be about the level of response merited by your comeback. It's also possible, as you state in your comment, that I have literally never read one article (or book) in my time being ruled by the US on how their legislature functions, and that I'm wholly ignorant of the mechanisms of the US legislature. It's also possible that you have your head up your ass because the fantasy that either party has the actual ability to fix what are deeply structural problems, much less has the will to do so, is more appealing than registering the depth of the problem. I have in the past, believed that these reforms were possible, and I still believe that they are "possible" in the sense that literally anything is possible in this world. You don't respond to the question all that begs, which is why, if everyone in the US deeply hates the healthcare system, none of it has yet been fixed.
- relaxing 2y agoI responded that way because this > The fact that the Democrats absolutely did not fix this system begs the question of why it did not get fixed. has a very clear and simple answer that renders the rest of your post nonsensical.