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Do you have any references on that? Anyone I know that wants separation of employment and health insurance is also very pro-union.

swed420 2y ago
It's counterintuitive on the surface, but definitely a known phenomenon. We saw it in recent years during Bernie's campaigns: https://jacobin.com/2020/02/nevada-culinary-union-unite-here-sanders https://jacobin.com/2020/02/nevada-culinary-union-unite-here... Unions are an often necessary hack to overcome some of capitalism's worst baked-in contradictions, but unfortunately they often bring their own set of complications. It seems like we should instead step back and go to the real source of the problem: capitalism https://jacobin.com/2019/03/sam-gindin-socialist-planning-models https://jacobin.com/2019/03/sam-gindin-socialist-planning-mo...
smt88 2y ago
> Do you have any references on that? - https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-23/why-some-unions-are-nervous-about-medicare-for-all https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-23/why-some-u... - https://jacobin.com/2018/06/medicare-for-all-health-care-unions https://jacobin.com/2018/06/medicare-for-all-health-care-uni... - https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/01/why-would-a-union-oppose-medicare-for-all https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/01/why-would-a-unio... - https://archive.thinkprogress.org/what-unions-think-about-medicare-for-all-2cffd87d7814/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/what-unions-think-about-me... Obviously it's not every union and they have different degrees of support or opposition. But Democrats won't pass any major health-care bill without the support of all the largest unions, and they're never getting that, especially as many unions are defecting to MAGAism now. > Anyone I know that wants separation of employment and health insurance is also very pro-union. Are they in labor unions? Or are they white-collar workers with college degrees who happen to support both of these things? As we saw in the last election, there can be a significant disconnect between union members' views and the official unions themselves.

swed420 2y ago

It's counterintuitive on the surface, but definitely a known phenomenon. We saw it in recent years during Bernie's campaigns: https://jacobin.com/2020/02/nevada-culinary-union-unite-here-sanders https://jacobin.com/2020/02/nevada-culinary-union-unite-here... Unions are an often necessary hack to overcome some of capitalism's worst baked-in contradictions, but unfortunately they often bring their own set of complications. It seems like we should instead step back and go to the real source of the problem: capitalism https://jacobin.com/2019/03/sam-gindin-socialist-planning-models https://jacobin.com/2019/03/sam-gindin-socialist-planning-mo...

smt88 2y ago

> Do you have any references on that? - https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-23/why-some-unions-are-nervous-about-medicare-for-all https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-23/why-some-u... - https://jacobin.com/2018/06/medicare-for-all-health-care-unions https://jacobin.com/2018/06/medicare-for-all-health-care-uni... - https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/01/why-would-a-union-oppose-medicare-for-all https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/01/why-would-a-unio... - https://archive.thinkprogress.org/what-unions-think-about-medicare-for-all-2cffd87d7814/ https://archive.thinkprogress.org/what-unions-think-about-me... Obviously it's not every union and they have different degrees of support or opposition. But Democrats won't pass any major health-care bill without the support of all the largest unions, and they're never getting that, especially as many unions are defecting to MAGAism now. > Anyone I know that wants separation of employment and health insurance is also very pro-union. Are they in labor unions? Or are they white-collar workers with college degrees who happen to support both of these things? As we saw in the last election, there can be a significant disconnect between union members' views and the official unions themselves.