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who cares if you're tracked because you have nothing to hide, right? now imagine you're the wrong religion after the regime change. "I have nothing to hide" i

who cares if you're tracked because you have nothing to hide, right? now imagine you're the wrong religion after the regime change. "I have nothing to hide" is a stupid argument that leads to concentration camps

simplicio 2y ago
Seems like the Nazis managed to do the Concentration Camps thing without facial recognition software.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  But they did have tremendous data processing abilities for their time!
  - simplicio 2y ago
    I don't think keeping the data processing abilities of modern gov'ts below that of 1930's Germany is really a plausible plan for avoiding concentration camps.
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  - Wicher 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
- pessimizer 2y ago
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  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    But surely it couldn’t happen in America, right? Guess what, census data was used to facilitate Japanese internment.
- whycome 2y ago
  America and Canada used facial recognition for their ww2 concentration camps. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Canadians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Canad...
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  The Nazis utilised the best information-management tools of the time, including IBM computers (fully supported by IBM throughout the war) and punch cards (as another commenter notes: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42359352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42359352>). Those tattoos worn by concentration camp survivors were IBM-assigned identifiers. Nazis also used census and other civil data sources. Deliberate destruction of such records in the Netherlands is one of the legacies of WWII: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Netherlands#Registration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Netherlan...> This and other legacies of 20th-century genocide are chief reasons why European attitudes toward rampant data collection and exchange are far harsher than in the United States. Though I'd argue still not nearly harsh enough.
throe844i 2y ago
Data means power and freedom. With access to data you can defend yourself from legal persecution! In past people were lynched and killed for false accusations! With evidence they would have a chance! Hostile regime will kill you anyway. But there is a long way there. And "soft hostile" may throw you into prison for 30 years, or take your your house and family. Or will not enforce punishment on crooks. All fully legally in "proper democracy". And "wrong religion" and "leads to concentration camps" really is a stupid argument, given what is happening last year. People today are just fine with concentration camps and genecide! It is just absurd argument used to defend corrupted status quo! If you have a "wrong religion" change it! People did that all the time.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  > With access to data That's the key problem. Why do you assume you'll have access to this data?

simplicio 2y ago

Seems like the Nazis managed to do the Concentration Camps thing without facial recognition software.

pavel_lishin 2y ago
But they did have tremendous data processing abilities for their time!
- simplicio 2y ago
  I don't think keeping the data processing abilities of modern gov'ts below that of 1930's Germany is really a plausible plan for avoiding concentration camps.
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- Wicher 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
pessimizer 2y ago
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- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  But surely it couldn’t happen in America, right? Guess what, census data was used to facilitate Japanese internment.
whycome 2y ago
America and Canada used facial recognition for their ww2 concentration camps. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Canadians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Canad...
dredmorbius 2y ago
The Nazis utilised the best information-management tools of the time, including IBM computers (fully supported by IBM throughout the war) and punch cards (as another commenter notes: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42359352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42359352>). Those tattoos worn by concentration camp survivors were IBM-assigned identifiers. Nazis also used census and other civil data sources. Deliberate destruction of such records in the Netherlands is one of the legacies of WWII: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Netherlands#Registration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Netherlan...> This and other legacies of 20th-century genocide are chief reasons why European attitudes toward rampant data collection and exchange are far harsher than in the United States. Though I'd argue still not nearly harsh enough.

throe844i 2y ago

Data means power and freedom. With access to data you can defend yourself from legal persecution! In past people were lynched and killed for false accusations! With evidence they would have a chance! Hostile regime will kill you anyway. But there is a long way there. And "soft hostile" may throw you into prison for 30 years, or take your your house and family. Or will not enforce punishment on crooks. All fully legally in "proper democracy". And "wrong religion" and "leads to concentration camps" really is a stupid argument, given what is happening last year. People today are just fine with concentration camps and genecide! It is just absurd argument used to defend corrupted status quo! If you have a "wrong religion" change it! People did that all the time.

pavel_lishin 2y ago
> With access to data That's the key problem. Why do you assume you'll have access to this data?