It's very hard to have honest and logical discussions about this. Both sides are biased here, and both sides think the other is undermining their will and inter

It's very hard to have honest and logical discussions about this. Both sides are biased here, and both sides think the other is undermining their will and interests. And sane adults that see some of this "meta detail" and call it out (like what you did), are not listened to. Even if they wanted to listen to sane and logical points like that, it would be a detriment to both sides to listen to it - so they don't because they know the other side probably won't.