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Wow, apparently some people are so blinded by fanboyism (I know one such person myself) that they can't accept something created by Apple might have an issue. S

Wow, apparently some people are so blinded by fanboyism (I know one such person myself) that they can't accept something created by Apple might have an issue. Some of the answers can be summed up as "hey, before you couldn't do X before, so stop moaning and keep doing what you did before if you don't like how X works!". Even in the bad old days of Microsoft MVPs you didn't get answers as hostile as that. This is almost religious fervor. WTF?

JacksonGariety 14y ago
At WWDC, they showed that Mountain Lion would enable multi-monitor fullscreen support. But yes, they shouldn't expect Apple to be their friend and hold true to their word.
- delinka 14y ago
  "Friend"? No. Stand by their word? I expect that form everyone but am often disappointed. Don't say things you don't intend to follow through on. It makes you untrustworthy. This is probably why Apple stays mum on everydamnthing - the individual employees might mean well, might think something is fully plausible, but then business agendas change, contracts get in the way, and ultimately the corporation doesn't deliver. Easier to just keep your mouth shut and deliver what you deliver. Do I trust people to keep their words? Not immediately - first we try, then we trust.
  - dguaraglia 14y ago
    I think you are missing the point. I think Jackson actually meant the last bit as sarcasm.
- masklinn 14y ago
  > At WWDC, they showed that Mountain Lion would enable multi-monitor fullscreen support But that support is still garbage. Slightly less than Lion's, but still: "multi-monitor fullscreen support" only means that applications will go fullscreen on the (physical) screen they are currently on rather than move to the primary screen (which for a laptop is the "internal" one, making your 27" Cinema Display a very nice mirror and not much else) as is the behavior in Lion. Fullscreen Mode will still only allow you to use a single physical screen.
  - batista 14y ago
    >Fullscreen Mode will still only allow you to use a single physical screen. Oh, the humanity! How about using NON fullscreen mode then? Like, say, _maximize_? Complaining about the full screen feature "being broken in multi screen mode", when other platforms don't even offer it in a single screen?
    - masklinn 14y ago
      You didn't really bother yourself with all that thinking stuff before posting this one, now did you?
    - jasonlotito 14y ago
      These were features that were removed from Apple's apps with the release of Lion. You can understand that people would be upset. Something worked, a specific way, and then when a new release of the OS comes out and the software is updated, suddenly, it has suddenly removed features you'd used in your daily work flow. It's not as if this idea, this concept never existed. > when other platforms don't even offer it in a single screen? They do though, and they do it well, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Xyzodiac 14y ago
It's ridiculous I agree, it makes all mac users look like foaming fanboys.
- dguaraglia 14y ago
  I know most aren't, but the few that are are so annoyingly vocal it taints the whole community. The guy I'm talking about will argue with you (and get very pissed off) if you ever criticize anything made by Apple. "Hey, I think feature X on device Y works better than the iOS/OS X equivalent" will get you a 2 hour discussion on why Apple's version is better and, if it isn't, it shouldn't be and the other version is flawed because it does more than it should do. Whatever marketing Apple is doing, they are certainly doing a great job at making users (well, at least some of them) identify with the brand.
  - Xyzodiac 14y ago
    Which really is terrible. I own a Mac, it's my primary machine but I get plenty of use out of the Windows and Linux dual boot machine I also have. Every OS has it's own advantages, and fanboys need to accept that already.
    - Osiris 14y ago
      I could not agree more. I use a MacBook at work, Windows at home, and various Linux machines (mostly through ssh). I find each one has it's own pros and cons and I'm comfortable working with any of them.
- saturdaysaint 14y ago
podperson 14y ago
> Even in the bad old days of Microsoft MVPs you didn't get answers as hostile as that. Um, sure you did (probably still do, I just don't move in those circles any more). I've seen IT managers have visceral reactions against the mere suggestion that Macs might do a better job of anything than Windows.
- ktizo 14y ago
  Some of the people I work with are like that and some others are mac evangelists. Is funny when they meet and shout at each other. I prefer to just use lots of different OS's and like always having a few spare machines lying around that I can wipe and install stuff on, so don't really see what all the fuss is about. If people really cared they'd go out and code better GUIs. However, it is stupid that apple make some fairly basic design mistakes in the GUI experience when they focus so well on the physical aspects of their devices, but then again, none of the major players has done GUI really well yet, especially when compared with some of the best output of the computer games industry.
epo 14y ago
I don't see it as fanboyism so much as a reaction to irrational anti-Apple complaints such as "this feature doesn't work therefore I'm not going to buy any Apple product ever again". Yes, it's a bug. No, it's not a show stopper, and yes there is a perfectly reasonable work around. So the blind people are those who try to blow this up into some kind of crime against humanity and who then call those telling them to get a grip, "fanboys".
- geon 14y ago
  > Yes, it's a bug. No, it's not a bug. A bug would be something not working as intended. This clearly works just as intended, since some fullscreen apps apparently can use the extra monitor for secondary windows. It just isn't a very good feature if you have multiple monitors. Personally, I'd love it to work on my dual monitors. It's not a bug, it's a missing feature.
  - zbowling 14y ago
    It's a regression on an existing feature. Regression = bug.
    - geon 14y ago
      Did it work with one app per monitor at some point? Otherwise it's not a regression. Full screen mode lets a single app use all your screen area. That is the feature. That you wish it to work differently does not make it a bug. It's just a sucky solution for multi monitor setups.
      - zbowling 14y ago
        Yes, it did. iTunes, Quicktime, Final Cut (the old one)... each had a fullscreen mode that worked on single monitor mode.
        geon 14y ago
        Wasn't that a completely diffrent thing, not governed by the OS, but implemented by each app independently and not wit the side-swipe app swiching?
beedogs 14y ago
I see this all the fucking time in the Apple sphere, on forums and elsewhere. The other one that makes me want to punch things is "why would you ever need to do that?" Some people really need to stop making excuses for the limitations of their favorite platform. Stop having a favorite platform, for fuck's sake.

JacksonGariety 14y ago

At WWDC, they showed that Mountain Lion would enable multi-monitor fullscreen support. But yes, they shouldn't expect Apple to be their friend and hold true to their word.

delinka 14y ago
"Friend"? No. Stand by their word? I expect that form everyone but am often disappointed. Don't say things you don't intend to follow through on. It makes you untrustworthy. This is probably why Apple stays mum on everydamnthing - the individual employees might mean well, might think something is fully plausible, but then business agendas change, contracts get in the way, and ultimately the corporation doesn't deliver. Easier to just keep your mouth shut and deliver what you deliver. Do I trust people to keep their words? Not immediately - first we try, then we trust.
- dguaraglia 14y ago
  I think you are missing the point. I think Jackson actually meant the last bit as sarcasm.
masklinn 14y ago
> At WWDC, they showed that Mountain Lion would enable multi-monitor fullscreen support But that support is still garbage. Slightly less than Lion's, but still: "multi-monitor fullscreen support" only means that applications will go fullscreen on the (physical) screen they are currently on rather than move to the primary screen (which for a laptop is the "internal" one, making your 27" Cinema Display a very nice mirror and not much else) as is the behavior in Lion. Fullscreen Mode will still only allow you to use a single physical screen.
- batista 14y ago
  >Fullscreen Mode will still only allow you to use a single physical screen. Oh, the humanity! How about using NON fullscreen mode then? Like, say, _maximize_? Complaining about the full screen feature "being broken in multi screen mode", when other platforms don't even offer it in a single screen?
  - masklinn 14y ago
    You didn't really bother yourself with all that thinking stuff before posting this one, now did you?
  - jasonlotito 14y ago
    These were features that were removed from Apple's apps with the release of Lion. You can understand that people would be upset. Something worked, a specific way, and then when a new release of the OS comes out and the software is updated, suddenly, it has suddenly removed features you'd used in your daily work flow. It's not as if this idea, this concept never existed. > when other platforms don't even offer it in a single screen? They do though, and they do it well, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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Xyzodiac 14y ago

It's ridiculous I agree, it makes all mac users look like foaming fanboys.

dguaraglia 14y ago
I know most aren't, but the few that are are so annoyingly vocal it taints the whole community. The guy I'm talking about will argue with you (and get very pissed off) if you ever criticize anything made by Apple. "Hey, I think feature X on device Y works better than the iOS/OS X equivalent" will get you a 2 hour discussion on why Apple's version is better and, if it isn't, it shouldn't be and the other version is flawed because it does more than it should do. Whatever marketing Apple is doing, they are certainly doing a great job at making users (well, at least some of them) identify with the brand.
- Xyzodiac 14y ago
  Which really is terrible. I own a Mac, it's my primary machine but I get plenty of use out of the Windows and Linux dual boot machine I also have. Every OS has it's own advantages, and fanboys need to accept that already.
  - Osiris 14y ago
    I could not agree more. I use a MacBook at work, Windows at home, and various Linux machines (mostly through ssh). I find each one has it's own pros and cons and I'm comfortable working with any of them.
saturdaysaint 14y ago

podperson 14y ago

> Even in the bad old days of Microsoft MVPs you didn't get answers as hostile as that. Um, sure you did (probably still do, I just don't move in those circles any more). I've seen IT managers have visceral reactions against the mere suggestion that Macs might do a better job of anything than Windows.

ktizo 14y ago
Some of the people I work with are like that and some others are mac evangelists. Is funny when they meet and shout at each other. I prefer to just use lots of different OS's and like always having a few spare machines lying around that I can wipe and install stuff on, so don't really see what all the fuss is about. If people really cared they'd go out and code better GUIs. However, it is stupid that apple make some fairly basic design mistakes in the GUI experience when they focus so well on the physical aspects of their devices, but then again, none of the major players has done GUI really well yet, especially when compared with some of the best output of the computer games industry.

epo 14y ago

I don't see it as fanboyism so much as a reaction to irrational anti-Apple complaints such as "this feature doesn't work therefore I'm not going to buy any Apple product ever again". Yes, it's a bug. No, it's not a show stopper, and yes there is a perfectly reasonable work around. So the blind people are those who try to blow this up into some kind of crime against humanity and who then call those telling them to get a grip, "fanboys".

geon 14y ago
> Yes, it's a bug. No, it's not a bug. A bug would be something not working as intended. This clearly works just as intended, since some fullscreen apps apparently can use the extra monitor for secondary windows. It just isn't a very good feature if you have multiple monitors. Personally, I'd love it to work on my dual monitors. It's not a bug, it's a missing feature.
- zbowling 14y ago
  It's a regression on an existing feature. Regression = bug.
  - geon 14y ago
    Did it work with one app per monitor at some point? Otherwise it's not a regression. Full screen mode lets a single app use all your screen area. That is the feature. That you wish it to work differently does not make it a bug. It's just a sucky solution for multi monitor setups.
    - zbowling 14y ago
      Yes, it did. iTunes, Quicktime, Final Cut (the old one)... each had a fullscreen mode that worked on single monitor mode.
      - geon 14y ago
        Wasn't that a completely diffrent thing, not governed by the OS, but implemented by each app independently and not wit the side-swipe app swiching?

beedogs 14y ago

I see this all the fucking time in the Apple sphere, on forums and elsewhere. The other one that makes me want to punch things is "why would you ever need to do that?" Some people really need to stop making excuses for the limitations of their favorite platform. Stop having a favorite platform, for fuck's sake.