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It was under a repressive dictatorship with crumbling infrastructure. Sure, it can always be worse, but the people deserve and are capable of so much better.

lukan 2y ago
"Sure, it can always be worse" Yes, I would argue the islamic state was indeed worse. And so far I see nothing preventing them or a similar force taking hold again. I mean turkey is the moderating factor here and turkey under Erdogan has gone the authorian islamic way since a while.
- j_maffe 2y ago
  Drawing analogies between Erdogan and the IS is wild.
  - lukan 2y ago
    Where did I do that? I said I am sceptical for the outcome, if Erdogan is the moderating factor. Or do you think, he cares much for human rights and democracy? That is far from saying he is like IS.
  - jajko 2y ago
    Well his son made hundreds of millions / billions from selling directly oil from ISIS held lands, since nobody else wanted to deal with them. His daughter personally built and supervised hospitals in Turkey specifically built to treat wounded ISIS fighters. These are verified public informations, although they obviously deny it. Erdogan is as much pro-ISIS as one can be. Maybe just a political game during complex conflict to fight against US-supported kurds at all costs, maybe not. We don't know.
- AngaraliTurk 2y ago
  I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his attempts to undermine democracy, and I want to see him gone sooner or later, Turkey is as much an Islamic authoritarian state as USA is a Christian authoritarian one under the rule of Trump. There seems to be a tendency to exaggerate the realities on the ground for some reason, and I suspect this is fueled by bots.
  - lukan 2y ago
    I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeting-in-qatar-agrees-to-step-up-efforts-to-stabilize-syria/3417600 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It seems the war will continue.
    - j_maffe 2y ago
      Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd. Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.
      - lukan 2y ago
        That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.
        j_maffe 2y ago
        That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.
        lukan 2y ago
        The claim that Erdogan is more open towards being a sultan and open towards more influence of Islam into the government?
MoreMoore 2y ago
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- j_maffe 2y ago
  > There's not even any hope of it. I love it when online commenters display more confidence in their opinions than experts in the field. Really shows how much value their opinion has.
  - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
    “experts in the field” are a great excuse to manipulate public opinion
  - jampekka 2y ago
    What experts expect Syria to get better? The rebels are led by a rebranding of al-Nusra Front which is widely designated as an islamist terrorist organization.
    - throwup238 2y ago
      The rebels aren’t led by any one group and HTS only has control over some northern provinces. There’s at least four major alliances in play between dozens of rebel groups at the moment, and there’s no one frontrunner to take over.

lukan 2y ago

"Sure, it can always be worse" Yes, I would argue the islamic state was indeed worse. And so far I see nothing preventing them or a similar force taking hold again. I mean turkey is the moderating factor here and turkey under Erdogan has gone the authorian islamic way since a while.

j_maffe 2y ago
Drawing analogies between Erdogan and the IS is wild.
- lukan 2y ago
  Where did I do that? I said I am sceptical for the outcome, if Erdogan is the moderating factor. Or do you think, he cares much for human rights and democracy? That is far from saying he is like IS.
- jajko 2y ago
  Well his son made hundreds of millions / billions from selling directly oil from ISIS held lands, since nobody else wanted to deal with them. His daughter personally built and supervised hospitals in Turkey specifically built to treat wounded ISIS fighters. These are verified public informations, although they obviously deny it. Erdogan is as much pro-ISIS as one can be. Maybe just a political game during complex conflict to fight against US-supported kurds at all costs, maybe not. We don't know.
AngaraliTurk 2y ago
I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his attempts to undermine democracy, and I want to see him gone sooner or later, Turkey is as much an Islamic authoritarian state as USA is a Christian authoritarian one under the rule of Trump. There seems to be a tendency to exaggerate the realities on the ground for some reason, and I suspect this is fueled by bots.
- lukan 2y ago
  I said going the authorian islamic way, not that you are already a califat. Sorry for the missunderstanding, I am aware that turkey is all in all still quite democratic and secular and we seem to both not like the direction Erdogan is heading. My point was, Erdogans influence over the SNA is not comforting me. Btw. I just read, a pro SNA news source: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeting-in-qatar-agrees-to-step-up-efforts-to-stabilize-syria/3417600 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/politics/russia-astana-format-meeti... It seems the war will continue.
  - j_maffe 2y ago
    Why are you relating authoritarianism with "Islamic way" or even the Caliphates? I've never seen anyone make this claim before, which is, to be honest, quite absurd. Edit: Also your linked article no longer reflects the current stance of Russia.
    - lukan 2y ago
      That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.
      - j_maffe 2y ago
        That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.
        lukan 2y ago
        The claim that Erdogan is more open towards being a sultan and open towards more influence of Islam into the government?

MoreMoore 2y ago

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j_maffe 2y ago
> There's not even any hope of it. I love it when online commenters display more confidence in their opinions than experts in the field. Really shows how much value their opinion has.
- sabbaticaldev 2y ago
  “experts in the field” are a great excuse to manipulate public opinion
- jampekka 2y ago
  What experts expect Syria to get better? The rebels are led by a rebranding of al-Nusra Front which is widely designated as an islamist terrorist organization.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    The rebels aren’t led by any one group and HTS only has control over some northern provinces. There’s at least four major alliances in play between dozens of rebel groups at the moment, and there’s no one frontrunner to take over.