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What are the chances the Kurds will get their own land out of this?

teractiveodular 2y ago
The best case is that northern parts of Syria end up like Iraqi Kurdistan, where they will de facto control a slice of the country. However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this.
- AngaraliTurk 2y ago
  The Iraqi Kurdistan (KRG) you mention has friendly relations with Turkey.
  - teractiveodular 2y ago
    The main Syrian Kurdish militia has very unfriendly relations with Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units
    - AngaraliTurk 2y ago
      It was a reply to your comment: > However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this. It's not true that Turkey is not keen on the Kurds having any territory because their friendly relations with KRG is a counter example.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this. Could it work that if the Kurds have their own 'official' region (either country, or province with-in another country) Turkey (Türkiye) would simply throw money at people to move to it? If there aren't any Kurds living with Turkey's borders, would that be a win for Turkey?
someotherperson 2y ago
Somewhere between 0 and None, which is a good thing for literally everyone. Unless we’re now cheering for ethnostates and a full blown Turkish invasion. Even the Syrian Kurds don’t want independence, rather just autonomy as part of a multiethnic Northern region.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  Almost every country in the region is an ethostate. The only reason Kurds would say they don't want their country is Turkey.
  - crvst 2y ago
    Virtually every country in this region was drawn up by the British and French with little regard for ethnic or religious boundaries. What are you talking about?
    - inemesitaffia 2y ago
      Every single one of the countries is Persian, Arab, or Turkish with a big heaping of Islam
- grumple 2y ago
  Why should every other group get autonomy but the Kurds? Turkey’s habit of ethnic cleansing isn’t a reason to deny the Kurds such a right.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    It's not about what they "should" have. But rather the fact that it seems difficult to imagine such a state being set up without further conflict / ethnic cleansing.
  - someotherperson 2y ago
    Literally no other group has autonomy or aspirations for it.

The best case is that northern parts of Syria end up like Iraqi Kurdistan, where they will de facto control a slice of the country. However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this.

AngaraliTurk 2y ago
The Iraqi Kurdistan (KRG) you mention has friendly relations with Turkey.
- teractiveodular 2y ago
  The main Syrian Kurdish militia has very unfriendly relations with Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Defense_Units
  - AngaraliTurk 2y ago
    It was a reply to your comment: > However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this. It's not true that Turkey is not keen on the Kurds having any territory because their friendly relations with KRG is a counter example.
throw0101d 2y ago
> However, Turkey to the north is really not keen on the Kurds having any territory, so they'll do whatever they can to frustrate this. Could it work that if the Kurds have their own 'official' region (either country, or province with-in another country) Turkey (Türkiye) would simply throw money at people to move to it? If there aren't any Kurds living with Turkey's borders, would that be a win for Turkey?

someotherperson 2y ago

Somewhere between 0 and None, which is a good thing for literally everyone. Unless we’re now cheering for ethnostates and a full blown Turkish invasion. Even the Syrian Kurds don’t want independence, rather just autonomy as part of a multiethnic Northern region.

inemesitaffia 2y ago
Almost every country in the region is an ethostate. The only reason Kurds would say they don't want their country is Turkey.
- crvst 2y ago
  Virtually every country in this region was drawn up by the British and French with little regard for ethnic or religious boundaries. What are you talking about?
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
    Every single one of the countries is Persian, Arab, or Turkish with a big heaping of Islam
grumple 2y ago
Why should every other group get autonomy but the Kurds? Turkey’s habit of ethnic cleansing isn’t a reason to deny the Kurds such a right.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  It's not about what they "should" have. But rather the fact that it seems difficult to imagine such a state being set up without further conflict / ethnic cleansing.
- someotherperson 2y ago
  Literally no other group has autonomy or aspirations for it.