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The problem is you don't seem to have a well-developed trust model. Trusting authority isn't even needed because of all of the grassroots journalism coming out

The problem is you don't seem to have a well-developed trust model. Trusting authority isn't even needed because of all of the grassroots journalism coming out of Gaza. Trust is what people with underdeveloped research and information processing skills do. You don't need to trust anything. Verify. Corroborate. But it's also important to recognize when large groups of governments are coming together to condemn an activity. Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and there is absolutely no excuse for any of it. It takes two seconds to confirm with your own eyes what is happening to civilians in Gaza.

exe34 2y ago
> Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel.
- defrost 2y ago
  Not singluar in the least. The official declaration of a Gaza genocide is contemporous with the Masalit genocide and both come after the Rohingya genocide declaration. Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity.
  - exe34 2y ago
    "Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity." yes that's because Ukraine doesn't build munitions depots under schools and hospitals. remember when Israel was said to have bombed a hospital, it turned out the rocket came from hamas, was launched from the hospital and landed in the parking lot. a lot of the stories that you read online are basically made up, or greatly exaggerated, but you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated.
    - defrost 2y ago
      > but you seem very keen to believe them .. Really? I've made no statement here other than to assert that several events have been officially declared as genocides in the past decade. This is a factually true assertion. You can verify that each of the events has been declared as such for yourself by checking the official UN statements on each. If you disagree with their declarations about, for instance, the Rohingya genocide then you can write a strong letter disagreeing with their lengthy report. It remains a fact that each event listed above has been described as a genocide by multiple counties, humanitarian groups, the UN, etc.
      - exe34 2y ago
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        defrost 2y ago
        It's unclear what this has to do with my rebuttal of your statement: > and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel. Clearly there are numerous officially declared genocides other than the one you seem fixated upon. > you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated. > so that people like you will condemn Israel for existing and defending themselves. You're blinding painting with a broad brush here, I'm a little more specific than a general cartoon dislike of Israel and Jews. Eugene Finkel, a Jewish Holocaust scholar, declared Russian actions wrt Ukraine to be genocidal and went into some detail. His criteria for that declaration, when applied to the actions of the current government of Israel, make the same case against Isareli actions in Gaza. * https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-bucha-war-crimes-genocide-b2050897.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-buch... * https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2325804 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2... * https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2023/11/21/finkel-ukraine-gaza-russia-genocide-international-law/stories/202311210020 https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2023/11/21/finkel...
        exe34 2y ago

exe34 2y ago

> Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel.

defrost 2y ago
Not singluar in the least. The official declaration of a Gaza genocide is contemporous with the Masalit genocide and both come after the Rohingya genocide declaration. Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity.
- exe34 2y ago
  "Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity." yes that's because Ukraine doesn't build munitions depots under schools and hospitals. remember when Israel was said to have bombed a hospital, it turned out the rocket came from hamas, was launched from the hospital and landed in the parking lot. a lot of the stories that you read online are basically made up, or greatly exaggerated, but you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated.
  - defrost 2y ago
    > but you seem very keen to believe them .. Really? I've made no statement here other than to assert that several events have been officially declared as genocides in the past decade. This is a factually true assertion. You can verify that each of the events has been declared as such for yourself by checking the official UN statements on each. If you disagree with their declarations about, for instance, the Rohingya genocide then you can write a strong letter disagreeing with their lengthy report. It remains a fact that each event listed above has been described as a genocide by multiple counties, humanitarian groups, the UN, etc.
    - exe34 2y ago
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      - defrost 2y ago
        It's unclear what this has to do with my rebuttal of your statement: > and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel. Clearly there are numerous officially declared genocides other than the one you seem fixated upon. > you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated. > so that people like you will condemn Israel for existing and defending themselves. You're blinding painting with a broad brush here, I'm a little more specific than a general cartoon dislike of Israel and Jews. Eugene Finkel, a Jewish Holocaust scholar, declared Russian actions wrt Ukraine to be genocidal and went into some detail. His criteria for that declaration, when applied to the actions of the current government of Israel, make the same case against Isareli actions in Gaza. * https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-bucha-war-crimes-genocide-b2050897.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-buch... * https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2325804 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2... * https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2023/11/21/finkel-ukraine-gaza-russia-genocide-international-law/stories/202311210020 https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2023/11/21/finkel...
        exe34 2y ago