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>There literally aren't limits. Except the ones we place on ourselves. This is the most delusional take I've ever seen. Limitations are built into the universe

>There literally aren't limits. Except the ones we place on ourselves. This is the most delusional take I've ever seen. Limitations are built into the universe as entropy. No limits is only a locality mirage that exists only because you don't live long enough to see the limit get hit. That being said air is free because it's a mirage, the sun powers plants and animals to continuously recycle it but once that source runs out then we hit a limit. As a local phenomena we can treat air as if it's free even though it's not. But air is like one of the few things that are like this. The next thing, water, people pay for water. And people pay for water because there is a limit on it. On top of that the fact that we pay for everything else means that even as a local phenomena there are limits. If you think humanity has been on a continuous quest of breaking barriers and jumping over limitations, that's false. All humanity has been doing is optimization. Best utilizing what we already have to delay the impending termination of when humans hit the final limit.

timschmidt 2y ago
> That being said air is free because it's a mirage, the sun powers plants and animals to continuously recycle it but once that source runs out then we hit a limit. > And people pay for water because there is a limit on it. Both exist in massive quantity in the asteroid belt. Europa has larger oceans than Earth. Your personal financial limitations aside, I was talking about what the human race can accomplish as a whole when we set our minds to it. > All humanity has been doing is optimization. Best utilizing what we already have to delay the impending termination of when humans hit the final limit. Final limit? Never heard of it. Is that a band name? The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale considers a type III civilization capturing and using all of the energy emitted by an entire galaxy. And folks have proposed larger more capable civilizations yet.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  > Europa has larger oceans than Earth. Then move to europa. I for one will stay here and enjoy the abundance of n-1.
  - timschmidt 2y ago
    > Then move to europa. I'm sure humans or something descended from us will, in time. > I for one will stay here Looks like your limits are self-imposed after all.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  As a locality phenomenon you will not live long enough to see a time where humans mine water from space. Let’s not even get to the logistics of it. So for all intents and purposes, water is limited for you and your limited life time.
throwaway48476 2y ago
Well said.

timschmidt 2y ago

> That being said air is free because it's a mirage, the sun powers plants and animals to continuously recycle it but once that source runs out then we hit a limit. > And people pay for water because there is a limit on it. Both exist in massive quantity in the asteroid belt. Europa has larger oceans than Earth. Your personal financial limitations aside, I was talking about what the human race can accomplish as a whole when we set our minds to it. > All humanity has been doing is optimization. Best utilizing what we already have to delay the impending termination of when humans hit the final limit. Final limit? Never heard of it. Is that a band name? The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale considers a type III civilization capturing and using all of the energy emitted by an entire galaxy. And folks have proposed larger more capable civilizations yet.

throwaway48476 2y ago
> Europa has larger oceans than Earth. Then move to europa. I for one will stay here and enjoy the abundance of n-1.
- timschmidt 2y ago
  > Then move to europa. I'm sure humans or something descended from us will, in time. > I for one will stay here Looks like your limits are self-imposed after all.
ninetyninenine 2y ago
As a locality phenomenon you will not live long enough to see a time where humans mine water from space. Let’s not even get to the logistics of it. So for all intents and purposes, water is limited for you and your limited life time.

throwaway48476 2y ago

Well said.