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>No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". True liberalism is a church opening its doors to anyon

>No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". True liberalism is a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in, and someone able to appreciate and pray as he desires. Freedom of religion. Musk might not be a "fervent Catholic", but is that really even relevant in celebrating the restoration of one of the greatest cathedrals? Identity politics like this truly waste all of our times and turn what are simple moments of happiness into artificial problems.

paxys 2y ago
> a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in My invite got lost in the mail, I guess. Or maybe the criteria wasn't just "anyone desiring to come in".
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  You and I both know this was a party for the powerful and the rich, if it wasn't Trump and Musk it was going to be Harris and Lady Gaga or something. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is stopping you or anyone from visiting Notre Dame to celebrate its return and perhaps even pray there if you so desire, regardless if you're a "fervent Catholic". In fact, consider that Prince William is also present. He's a member of the British royal family and heir-apparent to the British throne. The British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is a friendly rival to the Catholic Church. It is pointless to argue for identity politics, only assholes wanting to cause strife do that. Let us not waste our time and happiness on them and that.
  - paxys 2y ago
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  - anon291 2y ago
    Keep in mind the church doesn't own the building. It's owned by France and France gets to invite whom they want. The church just uses the building by arrangement. I only say this because you're not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. St Peters for example all masses are public. There are tickets but these are free if it's expected to be large.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > I only say this because you’re not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. “Not really supposed to be” in the sense of “it is a crime under canon law (Canon 1380) for both the seller and buyer punishable by a wide range of sanctions, including interdict and, for someone in orders and/or holding church office, suspension.”
      - defrost 2y ago
        The bulk of the opening invites are going to either state friends or significant donars. The rebuild fund donars arguably had no expectation of invitations when they put put up cash many years back to fund the rebuild. It was reported that the block of French Luxury goods companies that put in over $500 million even went so far as to not claim that contribution as a tax break. ( https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-billionaire-husband-attend-notre-dame-reopening-after-donating-113-million-restoration https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-billionair... ) So they put in money, but not for tickets and some didn't even use it as a tax break.
  - giraffe_lady 2y ago
    Isn't lady gaga catholic? Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice than these neoaristocratic freaks.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      >Isn't lady gaga catholic? I honestly don't know since I am not interested in celebrities let alone what they do in their private times. I just rattled her off as the first thing to come to my mind for a recently popular western celebrity. >Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice Again, this was a party for the powerful and rich. This was an opportunity for France and the Church to bolster its political and diplomatic capitals. You need powerful and rich people to come down for that. >than these neoaristocratic freaks. Occupy Wall Street was 13 years ago, that kind of sentiment didn't lead to anything constructive then and it's not going to now either.
ladyinthelake 2y ago
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paxys 2y ago

> a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in My invite got lost in the mail, I guess. Or maybe the criteria wasn't just "anyone desiring to come in".

Dalewyn 2y ago
You and I both know this was a party for the powerful and the rich, if it wasn't Trump and Musk it was going to be Harris and Lady Gaga or something. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is stopping you or anyone from visiting Notre Dame to celebrate its return and perhaps even pray there if you so desire, regardless if you're a "fervent Catholic". In fact, consider that Prince William is also present. He's a member of the British royal family and heir-apparent to the British throne. The British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is a friendly rival to the Catholic Church. It is pointless to argue for identity politics, only assholes wanting to cause strife do that. Let us not waste our time and happiness on them and that.
- paxys 2y ago
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- anon291 2y ago
  Keep in mind the church doesn't own the building. It's owned by France and France gets to invite whom they want. The church just uses the building by arrangement. I only say this because you're not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. St Peters for example all masses are public. There are tickets but these are free if it's expected to be large.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > I only say this because you’re not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. “Not really supposed to be” in the sense of “it is a crime under canon law (Canon 1380) for both the seller and buyer punishable by a wide range of sanctions, including interdict and, for someone in orders and/or holding church office, suspension.”
    - defrost 2y ago
      The bulk of the opening invites are going to either state friends or significant donars. The rebuild fund donars arguably had no expectation of invitations when they put put up cash many years back to fund the rebuild. It was reported that the block of French Luxury goods companies that put in over $500 million even went so far as to not claim that contribution as a tax break. ( https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-billionaire-husband-attend-notre-dame-reopening-after-donating-113-million-restoration https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-billionair... ) So they put in money, but not for tickets and some didn't even use it as a tax break.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  Isn't lady gaga catholic? Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice than these neoaristocratic freaks.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >Isn't lady gaga catholic? I honestly don't know since I am not interested in celebrities let alone what they do in their private times. I just rattled her off as the first thing to come to my mind for a recently popular western celebrity. >Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice Again, this was a party for the powerful and rich. This was an opportunity for France and the Church to bolster its political and diplomatic capitals. You need powerful and rich people to come down for that. >than these neoaristocratic freaks. Occupy Wall Street was 13 years ago, that kind of sentiment didn't lead to anything constructive then and it's not going to now either.

ladyinthelake 2y ago

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