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They seem (both the article and the press release) to conspicuously avoid mentioning any details about important open problem with sodium-ion: Cycle life/longev
by Syonyk 2y ago
They seem (both the article and the press release) to conspicuously avoid mentioning any details about important open problem with sodium-ion: Cycle life/longevity.
> On November 22, China’s Huawei announced a new patent for sodium-ion batteries named “Electrolyte Additives and Preparation Methods, Electrolytes and Sodium-ion Batteries.” The company’s latest work has focused on improving the shortcomings of sodium batteries – such as low coulombic efficiency and poor cycle life – by optimizing the electrolyte formula.
Yes, you've "improved the shortcoming." By how much? The lack of numbers is concerning.
Sodium ion has been in the labs for a while, but at least as of last I saw, they weren't managing more than a couple hundred cycles to 80% capacity. Lithium-ion is now typically thousands of cycles to 80% capacity (and associated higher internal resistance - 80% is just the standard benchmark for "lifespan" given the range of issues you see by that capacity loss). That they're "fluffy" batteries in terms of density isn't a huge problem for a lot of cases, but that their cycle life is "a few hundred cycles" has been a serious issue for any significant application of them.
That they don't mention this in the slightest implies, rather strongly, that they've not fixed that particular problem with it...
For a 70kWh battery pack, 300 cycles at 3 mi/kWh (a midrange average for year round driving) gets you 21MWh cycled through the pack, or 63k miles. Not exactly a stellar lifespan for a car battery pack.
That same pack at a lithium-ion standard 1500 cycles gets you about 315k miles.
- DennisP 2y agoWikipedia's page on sodium-ion lists several commercially-available batteries capable of several thousand cycles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
- Syonyk 2y agoIt does. Can you find any independent confirmation of those claims? I generally regard battery spec sheets as "wishful thinking," based on having done a lot of work with lithium chemistries in the past. Some of them are counting "cycle life" at 80% Depth of Discharge, which... kind of "isn't how that measurement is done."
- DennisP 2y agoI don't have any special sources, but since sodium-ion batteries are already being installed in BEVs and power grids, I guess we'll all find out how it's going before long. No reason a power grid can't restrict their battery storage to 80% discharge, if necessary. It just means buying 20% more battery.
- toomuchtodo 2y agohttps://www.energy-storage.news/first-half-world-largest-200mwh-sodium-ion-project-comes-online-china/ https://www.energy-storage.news/first-half-world-largest-200...
- torginus 2y agoAfaik, an important component of battery degradadation is the deformation of the anode and cathode as ions migrate between the two electrodes. Sodium ions are much larger that Lithium so this issue is much more pronounced. So in addition to energy/mass, there is another metric that prevents them from catching up to Lithium.