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It's hard to fathom any of this, and it's seriously concerning how out of touch Gen Zers apparently are. These unreasonable expectations of an entitled and clue

by bmitc 2y ago

It's hard to fathom any of this, and it's seriously concerning how out of touch Gen Zers apparently are. These unreasonable expectations of an entitled and clueless generation are pretty jawdropping. I hate to use those words, but that's what the results of this survey are. And why shift to the right? They're the ones who tank the economy every time they're in power and have done so for decades now. Furthers my theory that Gen Z doesn't bother to understand how anything works. I get it. Things really suck right now. Social media has ruined an entire generation's childhood. But millennials faced these same challenges, if not more so. Demanding that you need to be a one-percenter to be financially comfortable is just so off base that it's beyond comprehension. I'm well into my life and career, and I don't even see an expectation of a half or even a third of the Gen Z number as realistic. And again, the shift to the right is basically like they've asked themselves "how do we make it worse for ourselves?". Do they really think one-percenters want to share their piece of the pie? Edit: None of these remarks about any particular person and are commentary about the aggregate generation as described by this survey. I perfectly understand that Millennials and Gen Zers have been handled a terrible hand. But I have to admit that I am frustrated with Gen Z bending towards the right in this recent election and with their inability to be realistic in any way whatsoever if the results of this survey are to be believed.

resoluteteeth 2y ago
> They're the ones who tank the economy every time they're in power and have down so for decades now. Huh? Is this supposed to be sarcastic?
- tapoxi 2y ago
  There is actually plenty of data to back this up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by...
  - aeonik 2y ago
    That article does not state that "Republicans" tanked the economy. It says the economy is on average worse when a Republican is president. All the cited sources, basically concludes that the performance of the economy is almost entirely based on factors beyond the control of the President or Congress. Which makes sense. The economy is complicated, and people will change based votes on their feelings. The Economy is also notorious for lagging indicators. Political parties often blame their circumstances on the "last" administration. I'm dealing with technical debt and decisions that were entrenched 30 to 40 years ago in many cases. Extrapolating the realities of my experience in different business and technical environments informs me that it's really not this simple. These articles don't really help people understand economics, they are designed to sell you a certain belief.
- bmitc 2y ago
  No, it isn't sarcastic. It's the unfortunate truth. This is well reported on and researched. Republicans leave the Democrats a mess to clean up, the Democrats do, but the economy only starts to boom once the Republicans first return to power because of the lagging effect, and then they start tanking it again.
  - resoluteteeth 2y ago
    Ah, I misread your comment. I thought "they" was referring to "Gen Zers" (which didn't make sense Gen Z has never been in power) but I guess in "shifting to the right" "the right" was meant as a group rather than a direction (i.e. embracing the right wing rather than moving rightward) and "they" was referring back to that.
    - bmitc 2y ago
      No problem. Writing clearly is hard. Haha.
alephnerd 2y ago
> These unreasonable expectations > But millennials faced these same challenges In my experience, each generation consumes content produced by members of the previous generation Gen Z tends to consume Millenial and Gen X produced media. This is why Millenial and Gen X coded shows like 30 Rock, Community, Parks and Rec, The Office, and others had such staying power with our generation. In Millenial and Gen X media, there are often jokes about Boomers (as in actual baby boomers born in the 40s and 50s) being able to get a job without a degree and afford a house. What this means is a lot of us Gen Zs have an unrealistic expectation of society, as if the world 60-70 years ago was the status quo until recently but our parents (who are GenX or Millennials) would have never lived in that kind of world. Gen Zs are not going to enter the writer's room until 20 years from now, and then we'll provide a similarly warped view to kiddos.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  I believe it’s more likely social media is supercharging FOMO and the facade vs historical cultural references. > “What we found was a really strong connection between feeling badly about your money situation and how much time you spend on social media,” Isabel Barrow, director of financial planning at Edelman Financial Engines, told CNBC. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-media-reason-millennials-gen-171528949.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-media-reason-millennia...
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    Social Media plays a role, but it isn't that significant. For example, alot of the "tradmom" kinda stuff is relatively niche among my age peers despite it being used as an example of our generation becoming more right leaning.
- bmitc 2y ago
  I don't think that's entirely true for Gen Z because of social media. Gen Z seems to mostly consume content generated by their own generation. You have all these Gen Z influencers who have no real experience teaching other Gen Zers. Even for topics like music or technology and other "intelligent" areas, influencers never seem to be middle aged or older. They're all under 30 it seems.

by bmitc 2y ago

resoluteteeth 2y ago

> They're the ones who tank the economy every time they're in power and have down so for decades now. Huh? Is this supposed to be sarcastic?

tapoxi 2y ago
There is actually plenty of data to back this up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by...
- aeonik 2y ago
  That article does not state that "Republicans" tanked the economy. It says the economy is on average worse when a Republican is president. All the cited sources, basically concludes that the performance of the economy is almost entirely based on factors beyond the control of the President or Congress. Which makes sense. The economy is complicated, and people will change based votes on their feelings. The Economy is also notorious for lagging indicators. Political parties often blame their circumstances on the "last" administration. I'm dealing with technical debt and decisions that were entrenched 30 to 40 years ago in many cases. Extrapolating the realities of my experience in different business and technical environments informs me that it's really not this simple. These articles don't really help people understand economics, they are designed to sell you a certain belief.
bmitc 2y ago
No, it isn't sarcastic. It's the unfortunate truth. This is well reported on and researched. Republicans leave the Democrats a mess to clean up, the Democrats do, but the economy only starts to boom once the Republicans first return to power because of the lagging effect, and then they start tanking it again.
- resoluteteeth 2y ago
  Ah, I misread your comment. I thought "they" was referring to "Gen Zers" (which didn't make sense Gen Z has never been in power) but I guess in "shifting to the right" "the right" was meant as a group rather than a direction (i.e. embracing the right wing rather than moving rightward) and "they" was referring back to that.
  - bmitc 2y ago
    No problem. Writing clearly is hard. Haha.

alephnerd 2y ago

> These unreasonable expectations > But millennials faced these same challenges In my experience, each generation consumes content produced by members of the previous generation Gen Z tends to consume Millenial and Gen X produced media. This is why Millenial and Gen X coded shows like 30 Rock, Community, Parks and Rec, The Office, and others had such staying power with our generation. In Millenial and Gen X media, there are often jokes about Boomers (as in actual baby boomers born in the 40s and 50s) being able to get a job without a degree and afford a house. What this means is a lot of us Gen Zs have an unrealistic expectation of society, as if the world 60-70 years ago was the status quo until recently but our parents (who are GenX or Millennials) would have never lived in that kind of world. Gen Zs are not going to enter the writer's room until 20 years from now, and then we'll provide a similarly warped view to kiddos.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
I believe it’s more likely social media is supercharging FOMO and the facade vs historical cultural references. > “What we found was a really strong connection between feeling badly about your money situation and how much time you spend on social media,” Isabel Barrow, director of financial planning at Edelman Financial Engines, told CNBC. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-media-reason-millennials-gen-171528949.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/social-media-reason-millennia...
- alephnerd 2y ago
  Social Media plays a role, but it isn't that significant. For example, alot of the "tradmom" kinda stuff is relatively niche among my age peers despite it being used as an example of our generation becoming more right leaning.
bmitc 2y ago
I don't think that's entirely true for Gen Z because of social media. Gen Z seems to mostly consume content generated by their own generation. You have all these Gen Z influencers who have no real experience teaching other Gen Zers. Even for topics like music or technology and other "intelligent" areas, influencers never seem to be middle aged or older. They're all under 30 it seems.