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> Were they actually stopped? I think the broad, practical answer to that is 'almost certainly'. I'm pretty sure if warships hadn't shown up and asked to come
by mrandish 2y ago
> Were they actually stopped?
I think the broad, practical answer to that is 'almost certainly'. I'm pretty sure if warships hadn't shown up and asked to come over and have a chat, the ship wouldn't still be sitting there. There's also probably a very technical legal answer which may indicate they weren't "stopped" at all based on the precise wording actually communicated and relevant maritime law.
Interestingly, a long time ago I got to experience being on a freighter in the South China Sea and having some sizable Singapore navy warships pull up and ask to have a chat and take a look around. Warships pulling up at sea certainly has a way of commanding your undivided attention. It's like being pulled over by a cop, except the cop is heavily armed commandos in an Apache attack helicopter.
I suspect the only reason the navy hasn't boarded that ship yet is because the captain is being ordered to stonewall by the owners and the government would prefer to avoid breaking maritime law (especially with everyone paying attention). However, if the relevant governments determine there's sufficient value in searching the ship, they'll just have their maritime lawyers come up with the best excuse or "exigent circumstances" pretense they can and board anyway.
The ship I was on was flying a Liberian flag but Indonesian owned. Given that we were in international waters and these guys weren't even customs, police or port authority (who are the dudes who usually pull over freighters), the captain could have technically denied their request but he didn't even consider it. He later told me, basically, if you are not 'the droids they're looking for' then you let them the fuck on board. As a commercial hauler there's simply no upside to making trouble for the Navy, they have a lot of ways to ruin your day and you might someday need their help if you've got an emergency (or pirates chasing you, which is not impossible in those waters). The only freighter captains who insist on exercising their rights under maritime law when facing a naval warship typically have a political motivation or maybe are actually pirates, spies or smugglers (of weapons or people - warships don't give a fuck about that undeclared container of stereos). Naval warships (at least in that area) also don't usually care much about expired paperwork, lapsed passports or even outstanding warrants. They aren't law enforcement and a warship like that costs over a million dollars a day to keep at sea. They are there under national command authority for reasons that are way above a freighter captain's pay grade. The captain and crew are usually just contractors hired to drive the ship. Our captain had been at sea 15 years and that was the first time he'd ever had a naval warship pay any attention to him.
- cjblomqvist 2y agoAs far as I'm aware, the ship still also have to go through the strait between Sweden/Denmark (or through pure Danish territory) to reach the Atlantic ocean, so there are plenty of waters ahead where these governments very well could do more if economic waters it's not enough. So that probably also helps with not wanting to just escape. Where it's now it can at least escape through international water all the way to Russia if it wants to. To me it feels like it's stuck between a hard rock and a stone...
- tuukkah 2y agoIt seems you have it backwards: the ship Yi Peng 3 was already allowed to pass through the Denmark-Sweden straits and to the Kattegat sea area before it was stopped. What it cannot do is return through the straits to Baltic Sea and St Petersburg.
- d3VwsX 2y agoI can not find any recent updates, but this one (from 29/11, in Swedish) mentions ongoing discussions with China making progress on reaching an agreement to allow the Swedish navy to board the ship: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/kina-redo-att-samarbeta-om-kabelbrott https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/kina-redo-att-samarbeta-o...
- kortilla 2y agoThank you for sharing the story. I’m always fascinated by these industries that exist in international waters. Are there any books you recommend that capture what modern seafaring is like?
- mrandish 2y agoSorry but I don't. This was many decades ago and I wasn't even a sailor. I was a teenager and my dad was able to arrange me spending two months one Summer aboard that freighter as a kind of informal, unofficial intern. I guess he thought it would be kind of like an outward bound experience. I'm not really sure how it even came together and I imagine it couldn't happen today. Things were a lot less structured back then, especially on an Indonesian freighter in the South China Sea. It was a lot of hard work and the conditions on board were rough, especially from the perspective of an American teenager among an all Indonesian crew but I learned an enormous amount about life in the real world.