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I remember reading something about a data wipe or loss of information from the lab after the outbreak. Anyone remember this?

by platz 2y ago

stogot 2y ago
And Zhang Yong-Zhen (who released the genome to the benefit of the world ) was interrogated by police and is now being persecuted (locked out of his lab, denied recognition, etc). Makes you wonder why
- aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
  The Chinese government doesn't want public scientific criticism about anything, including its COVID response. But in 2020 Yong-Zhen was outspoken, complaining to journalists that the government wasn't listening to him back in January when he warned about an uncontrollable epidemic. He has continued to post on Weibo about fighting for the truth. Seems like standard authoritarianism to me, and there's nothing really to wonder about: China persecutes internal critics. It is empty-brained to assume China must be hiding some deeper, darker secret. China spent six months hoping COVID was overblown and would just go away on its own. They do not want people on social media asking questions about this.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    "Because they do this one bad thing it is 'empty-brained' to think they are capable of doing something worse" Pretty strange logic there...
    - aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
      Maybe that's because you're attacking a dumb strawman instead of addressing my actual point. The comment I'm responding to said "makes you wonder why" Yong-Zhen was being persecuted and no it doesn't, we have a very good explanation as to why.
      - stogot 2y ago
        He released the genome, got on a plane, and upon landing he was immediately interrogated by police. That’s a fast and immediate response. This was before his social media posts. Also, stop calling people empty brained. Shows immaturity.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - lazyeye 2y ago
        Or alternatively Yong-Zhen was being targeted as part of a cover-up and he was shut-down much faster than typically happens in China. And it's completely reasonable to wonder why that was. Oh yeah...and your dumb etc.....
tim333 2y ago
I think it's not exactly like that. There was a virus database that was taken offline a while before the outbreak and that they refuse to share to this day. After the outbreak the Chinese government asked for the destruction of covid samples. More recently Daszak said Shi Zhengli had a personal virus database but had deleted it. Overall they have not been very cooperative with data. But it seems the lab does covert military bioweapons type research so they may have reason to be secretive about everything without actually having caused covid.

I remember reading something about a data wipe or loss of information from the lab after the outbreak. Anyone remember this?

by platz 2y ago

I remember reading something about a data wipe or loss of information from the lab after the outbreak. Anyone remember this?

stogot 2y ago

And Zhang Yong-Zhen (who released the genome to the benefit of the world ) was interrogated by police and is now being persecuted (locked out of his lab, denied recognition, etc). Makes you wonder why

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
The Chinese government doesn't want public scientific criticism about anything, including its COVID response. But in 2020 Yong-Zhen was outspoken, complaining to journalists that the government wasn't listening to him back in January when he warned about an uncontrollable epidemic. He has continued to post on Weibo about fighting for the truth. Seems like standard authoritarianism to me, and there's nothing really to wonder about: China persecutes internal critics. It is empty-brained to assume China must be hiding some deeper, darker secret. China spent six months hoping COVID was overblown and would just go away on its own. They do not want people on social media asking questions about this.
- lazyeye 2y ago
  "Because they do this one bad thing it is 'empty-brained' to think they are capable of doing something worse" Pretty strange logic there...
  - aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
    Maybe that's because you're attacking a dumb strawman instead of addressing my actual point. The comment I'm responding to said "makes you wonder why" Yong-Zhen was being persecuted and no it doesn't, we have a very good explanation as to why.
    - stogot 2y ago
      He released the genome, got on a plane, and upon landing he was immediately interrogated by police. That’s a fast and immediate response. This was before his social media posts. Also, stop calling people empty brained. Shows immaturity.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - lazyeye 2y ago
      Or alternatively Yong-Zhen was being targeted as part of a cover-up and he was shut-down much faster than typically happens in China. And it's completely reasonable to wonder why that was. Oh yeah...and your dumb etc.....

tim333 2y ago

I think it's not exactly like that. There was a virus database that was taken offline a while before the outbreak and that they refuse to share to this day. After the outbreak the Chinese government asked for the destruction of covid samples. More recently Daszak said Shi Zhengli had a personal virus database but had deleted it. Overall they have not been very cooperative with data. But it seems the lab does covert military bioweapons type research so they may have reason to be secretive about everything without actually having caused covid.