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Dickies moving its headquarters from Texas to California

46 points by geox 2y ago

underseacables 2y ago
The Dickies move will impact about 120 Fort Worth employees.
gjsman-1000 2y ago
They don’t manufacture in America anymore, so good riddance. Nothing but a Chinese white-label now.
- cma 2y ago
  Why do we want so many garment shop jobs to be done in America?
  - Y_Y 2y ago
    It builds character
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    People look at all manufacturing jobs disappearing as part of the reason the middle class is dead. Unfortunately, even if all of these jobs came back, few people want to pay $70 for a made-in-America shirt.
    - throwawaymaths 2y ago
      hm. i wonder. made in usa plain tees are not that expensive (american apparel) and if you mean button up shirt, i paid $100 for a shirt made abroad. i recently bought made in usa undergarments and the quality was better than am undergarment i bought from abroad and the price was comparable
      - kube-system 2y ago
        While you can get T-shirts made in USA for reasonable prices, there's not a great selection out there, and you might want to check to see where those American Apparel T-shirts are being made. While they were known in the past for being USA made, they heavily outsource now.: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91Y+xeS+HoL.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91Y+xeS+HoL.jpg
    - rqtwteye 2y ago
      I think people might if they offered good quality. But that doesn’t seem to be the case with a lot of things “Made in USA”.
    - fargle 2y ago
      in the 1970s or 1980s if a nice dress shirt was $10-15, then it's not entirely a different thing from $70-100 today. it's not a question of "want to pay $70", we'll want to pay the lowest price possible for the equal goods. if the cost of shirts doubled, you might buy less of them and wear them longer. i remember my dad probably had 5 nice dress shirts, two suits and a sport coat. i'd rather have $70 (or $100) shirts and a functioning middle class.
  - vineyardmike 2y ago
    We probably don’t care about these jobs. But the political and cultural care over manufacturing jobs is twofold (1) manufacturing in America ensured we can sustain ourselves in a war with another manufacturing nation (eg china) and (2) it’s a politically savory thing. Today, we have pretty low unemployment so jobs isn’t as big a concern as other times. BUT jobs are not evenly distributed across the nation. If you visit the rust belt, those cities and towns are losing population as they lose jobs. That makes for an angsty population - staying in your hometown means fighting over the shrinking job pool. No one really wants to be a coal-miner or factory worker, but when that was the last big employer in your shrinking town, you get nostalgic for “good days” of high employment numbers, and a growing population. Garments aren’t coming back unless American shopping habits change. We’ve started spending a smaller % of income on clothes, while buying more units of clothing per year. That favors clothes made by fast fashion under terrible work conditions - which will never be local. Unless you want to buy a $200 pair of ethically made jeans, you’re not getting it American.
    - chriscappuccio 2y ago
      Origin Maine/Origin USA might have some interest to you. They've been buying back clothing manufacturing equipment that was sold overseas decades ago and using 100% USA labor and materials to make a range of clothing and boots.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    Because it's a job for people who aren't good at math and science can do. It's great that people can be doctors and chemists and software engineers but people who don't have those kinds of smarts to do those things, still need to have jobs. UBI ain't happening, so without jobs that don't take an advanced degree, the people without them don't have jobs. Without a job, how're you going to survive under capitalism?
- medler 2y ago
  They’ve been manufacturing abroad since at least the 1960s.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  >so good riddance. They are not leaving the US...?
mmmBacon 2y ago
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/11/27/dickies-relocating-texas-california#:~:text=The%20102%2Dyear%2Dold%20Texas,to%20its%20sister%20brand%2C%20Vans https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/20.... Looks like the owner VF Corp is consolidating campuses and wanting Dickies to be collocated with Vans in Costa Mesa.
- whalesalad 2y ago
  Yeah, nothing to see here. Just your run of the mill corporate consolidation. I used to live a few miles from that Vans HQ right off the 405.
- Animats 2y ago
  Right. Dickies and Vans were and are both units of VF Corporation.[1][2] VF also owns The North Face and Timberland, and a bunch of other "lifestyle brands". They have headquarters all over the place. VF corporate HQ is Denver. Vans HQ is in Costa Mesa, CA. There's a HQ in Shanghai, which manages manufacturing. Timberland HQ is in New Hampshire. North Face HQ is in Denver. And for some reason, there's an IT unit in Greensboro, NC. Too many HQs. Looks from their job listings like they're consolidating apparel in Costa Mesa, except for North Face and Timberland. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF_Corporation [2] https://www.vfc.com/ https://www.vfc.com/
  - danans 2y ago
    Despite the fact that they manufacture work-wear, I'd hazard to guess that most of the "innovation" - like with any other apparel type - is in taste-making and branding rather than any improvement in work-wear materials or functionality, and the talent pool for taste-making is likely much stronger in Southern California than Forth Worth, TX. The consolidation probably means they'll just add most of the Dickies brand workload to the existing employees in Southern California rather than hire/transfer 120 workers there. So a net reduction in labor costs and elimination of real estate costs, despite moving to a higher CoL area.
tzs 2y ago
Note that this is the Dickies that makes workwear [1], not the similar sounding but spelled differently Dickey's BBQ [2] or The Dickies band [3][4] who are one of the longest tenured punk rock bands having started in 1977 and are still performing. Of the three the workwear maker is the only one I've never dealt with. The BBQ was pretty good several years ago, but I ended up just not going for a couple of years, then when I tried to the ones nearest me had all closed and the number a medium distance from me had greatly diminished and their ratings had tanked. I've seen the band live twice and both had interesting interruptions. The first interruption there was a problem with an amp and they had to pause the show while it was fixed. The singer walked over to the keyboard and said that to entertain us while we waited he would play and named a Bach piece. I don't remember what piece it was other than it is one considered to be difficult piece, and he played it perfectly. The second interrupted show was one where the crowd at the front of the stage was urging the singer to crowd dive. He asked them if he could piss on them instead. They shouted "YES!". Big mistake. He then stopped singing, the stage crew quickly got a spotlight on his crotch, we got to see him unzip and whip it out...and he then proceeded to urinate on the people in front. The show resumed but the people who had been pissed on kept trying to get onto stage, and security was having trouble keeping them back and the show had to be cut short. [1] https://www.dickies.com/ https://www.dickies.com/ [2] https://www.dickeys.com/ https://www.dickeys.com/ [3] http://www.thedickies.com/ http://www.thedickies.com/ [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dickies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dickies
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- op00to 2y ago
  It's also not the top part of a sweater, just to be clear.
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- danans 2y ago
  > Note that this is the Dickies that makes workwear [1], not the similar sounding but spelled differently Dickey's BBQ [2] or The Dickies band [3][4] who are one of the longest tenured punk rock bands having started in 1977 and are still performing. Why would anyone be confused about this? The first sentence of the article reads: "The workwear apparel brand Dickies is moving its headquarters from Texas to California."
brink 2y ago
It's funny that a company actually choosing to live in California now is so unusual that it sparks a headline and a front-page post.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  > It's funny that a company actually choosing to live in California now is so unusual Says who? California is one of the most desirable places to live and work. It's a headline because moving the HQ of a huge established corporation is a daunting undertaking and rare event.
  - lurking15 2y ago
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  - readthenotes1 2y ago
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- jamiek88 2y ago
  Pop your bubble mate
- chiph 2y ago
  It's a "Man bites dog" headline.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  in general, most corporate HQ moves are headline generating, because you are talking about hundreds of people going from A to B and disrupting the affected communities. This particular headline is because KABC serves Los Angeles and Southern California, which is where this company is moving.
sigzero 2y ago
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defart 2y ago
Bit of a Dickies move, if you ask me..

46 points by geox 2y ago

underseacables 2y ago

The Dickies move will impact about 120 Fort Worth employees.

gjsman-1000 2y ago

They don’t manufacture in America anymore, so good riddance. Nothing but a Chinese white-label now.

cma 2y ago
Why do we want so many garment shop jobs to be done in America?
- Y_Y 2y ago
  It builds character
- BadHumans 2y ago
  People look at all manufacturing jobs disappearing as part of the reason the middle class is dead. Unfortunately, even if all of these jobs came back, few people want to pay $70 for a made-in-America shirt.
  - throwawaymaths 2y ago
    hm. i wonder. made in usa plain tees are not that expensive (american apparel) and if you mean button up shirt, i paid $100 for a shirt made abroad. i recently bought made in usa undergarments and the quality was better than am undergarment i bought from abroad and the price was comparable
    - kube-system 2y ago
      While you can get T-shirts made in USA for reasonable prices, there's not a great selection out there, and you might want to check to see where those American Apparel T-shirts are being made. While they were known in the past for being USA made, they heavily outsource now.: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91Y+xeS+HoL.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91Y+xeS+HoL.jpg
  - rqtwteye 2y ago
    I think people might if they offered good quality. But that doesn’t seem to be the case with a lot of things “Made in USA”.
  - fargle 2y ago
    in the 1970s or 1980s if a nice dress shirt was $10-15, then it's not entirely a different thing from $70-100 today. it's not a question of "want to pay $70", we'll want to pay the lowest price possible for the equal goods. if the cost of shirts doubled, you might buy less of them and wear them longer. i remember my dad probably had 5 nice dress shirts, two suits and a sport coat. i'd rather have $70 (or $100) shirts and a functioning middle class.
- vineyardmike 2y ago
  We probably don’t care about these jobs. But the political and cultural care over manufacturing jobs is twofold (1) manufacturing in America ensured we can sustain ourselves in a war with another manufacturing nation (eg china) and (2) it’s a politically savory thing. Today, we have pretty low unemployment so jobs isn’t as big a concern as other times. BUT jobs are not evenly distributed across the nation. If you visit the rust belt, those cities and towns are losing population as they lose jobs. That makes for an angsty population - staying in your hometown means fighting over the shrinking job pool. No one really wants to be a coal-miner or factory worker, but when that was the last big employer in your shrinking town, you get nostalgic for “good days” of high employment numbers, and a growing population. Garments aren’t coming back unless American shopping habits change. We’ve started spending a smaller % of income on clothes, while buying more units of clothing per year. That favors clothes made by fast fashion under terrible work conditions - which will never be local. Unless you want to buy a $200 pair of ethically made jeans, you’re not getting it American.
  - chriscappuccio 2y ago
    Origin Maine/Origin USA might have some interest to you. They've been buying back clothing manufacturing equipment that was sold overseas decades ago and using 100% USA labor and materials to make a range of clothing and boots.
- fragmede 2y ago
  Because it's a job for people who aren't good at math and science can do. It's great that people can be doctors and chemists and software engineers but people who don't have those kinds of smarts to do those things, still need to have jobs. UBI ain't happening, so without jobs that don't take an advanced degree, the people without them don't have jobs. Without a job, how're you going to survive under capitalism?
medler 2y ago
They’ve been manufacturing abroad since at least the 1960s.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
>so good riddance. They are not leaving the US...?

mmmBacon 2y ago

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2024/11/27/dickies-relocating-texas-california#:~:text=The%20102%2Dyear%2Dold%20Texas,to%20its%20sister%20brand%2C%20Vans https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/20.... Looks like the owner VF Corp is consolidating campuses and wanting Dickies to be collocated with Vans in Costa Mesa.

whalesalad 2y ago
Yeah, nothing to see here. Just your run of the mill corporate consolidation. I used to live a few miles from that Vans HQ right off the 405.
Animats 2y ago
Right. Dickies and Vans were and are both units of VF Corporation.[1][2] VF also owns The North Face and Timberland, and a bunch of other "lifestyle brands". They have headquarters all over the place. VF corporate HQ is Denver. Vans HQ is in Costa Mesa, CA. There's a HQ in Shanghai, which manages manufacturing. Timberland HQ is in New Hampshire. North Face HQ is in Denver. And for some reason, there's an IT unit in Greensboro, NC. Too many HQs. Looks from their job listings like they're consolidating apparel in Costa Mesa, except for North Face and Timberland. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF_Corporation [2] https://www.vfc.com/ https://www.vfc.com/
- danans 2y ago
  Despite the fact that they manufacture work-wear, I'd hazard to guess that most of the "innovation" - like with any other apparel type - is in taste-making and branding rather than any improvement in work-wear materials or functionality, and the talent pool for taste-making is likely much stronger in Southern California than Forth Worth, TX. The consolidation probably means they'll just add most of the Dickies brand workload to the existing employees in Southern California rather than hire/transfer 120 workers there. So a net reduction in labor costs and elimination of real estate costs, despite moving to a higher CoL area.

tzs 2y ago

Note that this is the Dickies that makes workwear [1], not the similar sounding but spelled differently Dickey's BBQ [2] or The Dickies band [3][4] who are one of the longest tenured punk rock bands having started in 1977 and are still performing. Of the three the workwear maker is the only one I've never dealt with. The BBQ was pretty good several years ago, but I ended up just not going for a couple of years, then when I tried to the ones nearest me had all closed and the number a medium distance from me had greatly diminished and their ratings had tanked. I've seen the band live twice and both had interesting interruptions. The first interruption there was a problem with an amp and they had to pause the show while it was fixed. The singer walked over to the keyboard and said that to entertain us while we waited he would play and named a Bach piece. I don't remember what piece it was other than it is one considered to be difficult piece, and he played it perfectly. The second interrupted show was one where the crowd at the front of the stage was urging the singer to crowd dive. He asked them if he could piss on them instead. They shouted "YES!". Big mistake. He then stopped singing, the stage crew quickly got a spotlight on his crotch, we got to see him unzip and whip it out...and he then proceeded to urinate on the people in front. The show resumed but the people who had been pissed on kept trying to get onto stage, and security was having trouble keeping them back and the show had to be cut short. [1] https://www.dickies.com/ https://www.dickies.com/ [2] https://www.dickeys.com/ https://www.dickeys.com/ [3] http://www.thedickies.com/ http://www.thedickies.com/ [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dickies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dickies

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op00to 2y ago
It's also not the top part of a sweater, just to be clear.
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danans 2y ago
> Note that this is the Dickies that makes workwear [1], not the similar sounding but spelled differently Dickey's BBQ [2] or The Dickies band [3][4] who are one of the longest tenured punk rock bands having started in 1977 and are still performing. Why would anyone be confused about this? The first sentence of the article reads: "The workwear apparel brand Dickies is moving its headquarters from Texas to California."

brink 2y ago

It's funny that a company actually choosing to live in California now is so unusual that it sparks a headline and a front-page post.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
> It's funny that a company actually choosing to live in California now is so unusual Says who? California is one of the most desirable places to live and work. It's a headline because moving the HQ of a huge established corporation is a daunting undertaking and rare event.
- lurking15 2y ago
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- readthenotes1 2y ago
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jamiek88 2y ago
Pop your bubble mate
chiph 2y ago
It's a "Man bites dog" headline.
bobthepanda 2y ago
in general, most corporate HQ moves are headline generating, because you are talking about hundreds of people going from A to B and disrupting the affected communities. This particular headline is because KABC serves Los Angeles and Southern California, which is where this company is moving.

sigzero 2y ago

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defart 2y ago

Bit of a Dickies move, if you ask me..