> you can try to convince all you want, but you're just grasping at straws. After coming back to this to see how the conversation has evolved (it hasn't), I of

> you can try to convince all you want, but you're just grasping at straws. After coming back to this to see how the conversation has evolved (it hasn't), I offer this guess: the problem isn't at the object level (i.e. what ML research has to say on this) nor my willingness to engage. A key factor seems to a lack of interest on the other end of the conversation.