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Would Russia/China not also suffer quite a bit while the US would hardly notice compared to Europe? It seems not as effective as people think as a way to hurt A

Would Russia/China not also suffer quite a bit while the US would hardly notice compared to Europe? It seems not as effective as people think as a way to hurt America? Before long everything would be able to run independently/with large breaks anyway.

zihotki 2y ago
They have their own more or less isolated segments of internet. Last week Russian agency regulating internet did a test in south areas and fully blocked the traffic to outside world so that telegram and VPNs were of no help
- fragmede 2y ago
  I wonder what the backbone capacity of Starlink is.
  - edm0nd 2y ago
    There is no way a Starlink connection has the bandwidth of fiber. It's not backbone material.
toast0 2y ago
My impression is there aren't a lot of sites US users go to that are hosted outside the continental US. So in that way, you're right, cable cuts don't hurt that much. (Unless you're in Hawaii or Puerto Rico, or probably Alaska?) On the other hand, a lot of US based businesses work overseas with connections back to the US. Those businesses would likely be affected if there are major cable cuts, and hurting US businesses hurts the US in general. I ageee there's ways to make this work, but there would be significant disruption for quite some time as business adapts. China would likely be fine with fiber cuts. The GFW already limits access to the world at large and encourages local hosting. One of the techniques to discourage use of certain sites is random disruption, which trains the population to look for local sites when foreign sites don't work. Russia is pushing towards a more self-sufficient internet, but I don't think they're as far along, and I haven't heard of as much opaque coerciveness as in China, although I'm sure it's planned.
WillyWonkaJr 2y ago
The trillions in daily financial transactions that cross the Atlantic via undersea cable is the main concern.

zihotki 2y ago

They have their own more or less isolated segments of internet. Last week Russian agency regulating internet did a test in south areas and fully blocked the traffic to outside world so that telegram and VPNs were of no help

fragmede 2y ago
I wonder what the backbone capacity of Starlink is.
- edm0nd 2y ago
  There is no way a Starlink connection has the bandwidth of fiber. It's not backbone material.

toast0 2y ago

My impression is there aren't a lot of sites US users go to that are hosted outside the continental US. So in that way, you're right, cable cuts don't hurt that much. (Unless you're in Hawaii or Puerto Rico, or probably Alaska?) On the other hand, a lot of US based businesses work overseas with connections back to the US. Those businesses would likely be affected if there are major cable cuts, and hurting US businesses hurts the US in general. I ageee there's ways to make this work, but there would be significant disruption for quite some time as business adapts. China would likely be fine with fiber cuts. The GFW already limits access to the world at large and encourages local hosting. One of the techniques to discourage use of certain sites is random disruption, which trains the population to look for local sites when foreign sites don't work. Russia is pushing towards a more self-sufficient internet, but I don't think they're as far along, and I haven't heard of as much opaque coerciveness as in China, although I'm sure it's planned.

WillyWonkaJr 2y ago

The trillions in daily financial transactions that cross the Atlantic via undersea cable is the main concern.