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> Google Chrome has/had ~23 paid developers, If you believe this, you maybe shouldn't be making claims about the economics of browser development. That's off b

by jsnell 2y ago

> Google Chrome has/had ~23 paid developers, If you believe this, you maybe shouldn't be making claims about the economics of browser development. That's off by ludicrous amounts.

BSDobelix 2y ago
2019: >Chrome, with an emphasis on making the web great for the next billion users. The team consists of around 40 engineers, in addition to a number of PMs, test engineers, UX designers, researchers, and others. We built a lot of features in Chrome that are used by more than a billion people.) https://mdwdotla.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-running-successful-teams-at-google-c06124959205 https://mdwdotla.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-running-success... "MY" Mozilla has 46 engineers ;) But if you think ludicrous big teams can make "much" product you should read "The Mythical Man-Month"..again ;) The ~23 was from 2012, sorry about the outdated information
- jsnell 2y ago
  You've accidentally left off some pretty important context from that quote: > Chrome Mobile teams in Seattle and Kirkland, spanning four sub-teams in Chrome, with an emphasis on ... It's not the number of engineers working on Chrome. It's the number of engineers who worked in that guy's Chrome Mobile team in a specific location. (It's not clear whether there were other teams working in Chrome Mobile in other offices). That's a team making mobile-specific improvements to Chrome or adapting it to the mobile environment, not a team making a browser from scratch. So it's ignoring the people working on the layout engine, rendering engine, the javascript engine, security, the desktop UI, codecs, web APIs, developer tools, networking and protocols, extension APIs and store, etc. There is also absolutely no way Chrome had 23 engineers in 2012, but since you didn't give the source, I have no idea of exactly what tiny subset that number was actually representing.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    2012: >Officially chrome has 23 members. https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-on-Google-Chrome https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-on-Google-Chrome 2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20240227122339/http://s.niallkennedy.com/blog/2008/09/google-chrome-team.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240227122339/http://s.niallken...
    - jsnell 2y ago
      Ok, so let's check that quora link. The answer is by some random web designer. Their source is this: https://web.archive.org/web/20120116201141/http://code.google.com/team/index.html?product=chrome https://web.archive.org/web/20120116201141/http://code.googl... And what does that page say? Right at the top: > Here are some members of the Developer Relations team It's not the Chrome engineering team. It's some part of just the team doing developer outreach (not necessarily even the entirity of that team). You keep finding these obviously incorrect references to support your arguments, and presenting them as facts. And by obvious I mean really obvious. There is no way you can read that page and mistakenly think it's the Chrome engineering team. At this point the best case is that you're not actually reading any of these sources, and just randomly pasting them here. The worst case is that you've noticed that your sources are bogus, and just don't care. Neither of those is arguing in good faith.
- skis 2y ago
  > The ~23 was from 2012, sorry about the outdated information In 2011, when asked "How many engineers work full-time on Chrome[...]?", a member of the Chrome team already said there were "enough to fill many buildings around the world". So even in 2012, ~23 seems way off. https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_three_members_of_the_google_chrome/c1mv5hb/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_thr...
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    Yes 40 engineers, 200 PM's and 300 "privacy/add's" advisors in typical google fashion. Just look who wrote the second article i linked, i never said Google is slim and fast, but at least they have invite money. And look at the second question from your "reddit" post: >I don't understand. There are enough devs to fill many buildings for Chrome, that work on things exclusive to Chrome, not Chromium? In this post it sounds like Chrome is not much more than Chromium. What gives? ...no answer, WHAT a SOURCE

by jsnell 2y ago

> Google Chrome has/had ~23 paid developers, If you believe this, you maybe shouldn't be making claims about the economics of browser development. That's off by ludicrous amounts.

BSDobelix 2y ago

2019: >Chrome, with an emphasis on making the web great for the next billion users. The team consists of around 40 engineers, in addition to a number of PMs, test engineers, UX designers, researchers, and others. We built a lot of features in Chrome that are used by more than a billion people.) https://mdwdotla.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-running-successful-teams-at-google-c06124959205 https://mdwdotla.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-running-success... "MY" Mozilla has 46 engineers ;) But if you think ludicrous big teams can make "much" product you should read "The Mythical Man-Month"..again ;) The ~23 was from 2012, sorry about the outdated information

jsnell 2y ago
You've accidentally left off some pretty important context from that quote: > Chrome Mobile teams in Seattle and Kirkland, spanning four sub-teams in Chrome, with an emphasis on ... It's not the number of engineers working on Chrome. It's the number of engineers who worked in that guy's Chrome Mobile team in a specific location. (It's not clear whether there were other teams working in Chrome Mobile in other offices). That's a team making mobile-specific improvements to Chrome or adapting it to the mobile environment, not a team making a browser from scratch. So it's ignoring the people working on the layout engine, rendering engine, the javascript engine, security, the desktop UI, codecs, web APIs, developer tools, networking and protocols, extension APIs and store, etc. There is also absolutely no way Chrome had 23 engineers in 2012, but since you didn't give the source, I have no idea of exactly what tiny subset that number was actually representing.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  2012: >Officially chrome has 23 members. https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-on-Google-Chrome https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-on-Google-Chrome 2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20240227122339/http://s.niallkennedy.com/blog/2008/09/google-chrome-team.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240227122339/http://s.niallken...
  - jsnell 2y ago
    Ok, so let's check that quora link. The answer is by some random web designer. Their source is this: https://web.archive.org/web/20120116201141/http://code.google.com/team/index.html?product=chrome https://web.archive.org/web/20120116201141/http://code.googl... And what does that page say? Right at the top: > Here are some members of the Developer Relations team It's not the Chrome engineering team. It's some part of just the team doing developer outreach (not necessarily even the entirity of that team). You keep finding these obviously incorrect references to support your arguments, and presenting them as facts. And by obvious I mean really obvious. There is no way you can read that page and mistakenly think it's the Chrome engineering team. At this point the best case is that you're not actually reading any of these sources, and just randomly pasting them here. The worst case is that you've noticed that your sources are bogus, and just don't care. Neither of those is arguing in good faith.
skis 2y ago
> The ~23 was from 2012, sorry about the outdated information In 2011, when asked "How many engineers work full-time on Chrome[...]?", a member of the Chrome team already said there were "enough to fill many buildings around the world". So even in 2012, ~23 seems way off. https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_three_members_of_the_google_chrome/c1mv5hb/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gdyun/iama_we_are_thr...
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  Yes 40 engineers, 200 PM's and 300 "privacy/add's" advisors in typical google fashion. Just look who wrote the second article i linked, i never said Google is slim and fast, but at least they have invite money. And look at the second question from your "reddit" post: >I don't understand. There are enough devs to fill many buildings for Chrome, that work on things exclusive to Chrome, not Chromium? In this post it sounds like Chrome is not much more than Chromium. What gives? ...no answer, WHAT a SOURCE