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Damn, the UK is pretty f'ed up - the list of things that British citizens can't enjoy compared to a lot of other countries (even developing ones) is growing eve

Damn, the UK is pretty f'ed up - the list of things that British citizens can't enjoy compared to a lot of other countries (even developing ones) is growing every day. Meanwhile, a criminal could easily just store everything on an encrypted microSD card, then eat it if anything goes wrong - the oldest trick in the book still works in the digital age :-D...

theklub 14y ago
Add this to putting missiles on top of apartment blocks for the Olympics and I really have to agree with you.
- koenigdavidmj 14y ago
  Been a while since we've had a case reminding us why we actually need the Third Amendment in the US.
- mibbitier 14y ago
  I think you guys need to stop believing everything you read.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    The missiles are stationed in 6 areas in London. Whether they'll be used is another matter. People were asking "what's the difference between a plane that has been crashed into London and a plane that has been shot down over London?", to which the reply is "a plane that is shot down is, effectively, disintegrated and burnt in the air, leaving small fragments to scatter." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18766547 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18766547
  - ktizo 14y ago
    Well, it was confirmed by the MOD.
pavel_lishin 14y ago
If they know you have it, destroying it is not really different in the eyes of the law than refusing to provide a key.
- alberich 14y ago
  This sounds very 1984. If the police says you have encrypted data, how can they prove it really is encrypted data? Besides, how can they prove that you do have the keys for the hypothetical encrypted data? It sounds absurd that you have to prove your innocence. It is common principle that who accuses is responsible for proving your guilty. Besides, even in the remote situation where they could prove somehow that a pile of random bits held some confidential data, no one should be acused of not deciphering it to provide proof against himself. It sounds like inquisition :) If you deny having a deal with the devil you die, and if you confess it, you die too.
blauwbilgorgel 14y ago
I was under the impression that key disclosure laws are present in many countries. Even in the US, with amendments against self-incrimination, if the authorities already know you have encrypted some incriminating data, you can be ordered to hand over the key. In the Colorado case, the police had intercepted a telephone conversation in which the defendant, Ramona F., acknowledged her ownership of the laptop and alluded to the existence of incriminating documents in the encrypted portions of the hard drive. ... I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_... Though you are right that the law in the UK seems very strict. As an international banker I would be weary bringing a master key or encrypted volume into the UK.

theklub 14y ago

Add this to putting missiles on top of apartment blocks for the Olympics and I really have to agree with you.

koenigdavidmj 14y ago
Been a while since we've had a case reminding us why we actually need the Third Amendment in the US.
mibbitier 14y ago
I think you guys need to stop believing everything you read.
- DanBC 14y ago
  The missiles are stationed in 6 areas in London. Whether they'll be used is another matter. People were asking "what's the difference between a plane that has been crashed into London and a plane that has been shot down over London?", to which the reply is "a plane that is shot down is, effectively, disintegrated and burnt in the air, leaving small fragments to scatter." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18766547 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18766547
- ktizo 14y ago
  Well, it was confirmed by the MOD.

pavel_lishin 14y ago

If they know you have it, destroying it is not really different in the eyes of the law than refusing to provide a key.

alberich 14y ago
This sounds very 1984. If the police says you have encrypted data, how can they prove it really is encrypted data? Besides, how can they prove that you do have the keys for the hypothetical encrypted data? It sounds absurd that you have to prove your innocence. It is common principle that who accuses is responsible for proving your guilty. Besides, even in the remote situation where they could prove somehow that a pile of random bits held some confidential data, no one should be acused of not deciphering it to provide proof against himself. It sounds like inquisition :) If you deny having a deal with the devil you die, and if you confess it, you die too.

blauwbilgorgel 14y ago

I was under the impression that key disclosure laws are present in many countries. Even in the US, with amendments against self-incrimination, if the authorities already know you have encrypted some incriminating data, you can be ordered to hand over the key. In the Colorado case, the police had intercepted a telephone conversation in which the defendant, Ramona F., acknowledged her ownership of the laptop and alluded to the existence of incriminating documents in the encrypted portions of the hard drive. ... I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_... Though you are right that the law in the UK seems very strict. As an international banker I would be weary bringing a master key or encrypted volume into the UK.