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Show HN: DIY 80€ 3D Printer Basement Ventilation

22 points by fxtentacle 2y ago

iLoveOncall 2y ago
This is by far not enough for a resin printer. You need an enclosure and to vent out the air much faster. That said, it doesn't have to be more expensive. I bought a 30€ inline bathroom fan, 8€ of tubing, and a 40€ cabinet from Ikea. From there I cut a hole on the side of the cabinet, 3D print a "liner" to attach the tubing to the hole and vent it out through a 3D printed cover with a vent hole where I attached the rest of the tubing. It is much much safer and vastly more efficient, while remaining affordable. The main advantage is that this is also suitable in an apartment without basement since the fan is much more powerful, and looks a lot better for a room which is not supposed to look like a basement. Here's a guide I recommend: https://www.asianjoyco.com/resources-tutorials/ventilation-upgrades-for-3d-resin-printing https://www.asianjoyco.com/resources-tutorials/ventilation-u... The author here seems extremely ignorant regarding the risks of 3D printing with resin. You must wear full PPE including a respirator at all times when working with resin, even if you don't smell anything.
- postit 2y ago
  I’ve build a similar setup recently. My partner even got excited thinking I’d finally start growing only to be disappointed when I explained what I was doing.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  There's no way I'd have a resin printer in an apartment. What's your plan when you spill resin on the floor?
  - iLoveOncall 2y ago
    Ignoring the fact that there's no way I can spill resin on the floor with my current printing / curing setup, I would just wipe most of it off with paper towels, then clean with water (or IPA but I use water-washable resin), and then if really needed I would cure it and scrape it off. I don't have a single drop of resin anywhere on the desk where I take care of prints, so it's not that hard. Note that it's in a room that I dedicate as my workshop, so I'm the only one that goes in and only for DYI purpose (and rarely).
    - Ruthalas 2y ago
      Parent may be imagining a carpeted apartment, which would make cleanup more difficult. When I was in such a location I used silicone project mats with raised edges fastidiously to avoid ever dripping on the carpet.
      - iLoveOncall 2y ago
        Yes that's what I was thinking of after leaving my own comment, but it's a lot less common outside of the US. I have wooden floors. Otherwise I would definitely either avoid it entirely or cover the whole floor area one way or another.
      - Symbiote 2y ago
        Carpet or cracks between wooden floor planks, plus the fumes from the spill will then be in the room and need ventilating. When I was briefly considering buying a resin printer, I was horrified by the comments on Reddit from teenagers who were printing D&D figures in their bedrooms, handling spills by rubbing them into the carpet, or assuming "low odour" meant "safe". In these discussions, comments from a chemist who claimed to work for a company producing the resin were downvoted, they didn't want to know. "Well, I'll be careful" generally isn't an adequate safety precaution in industry or academia.
- fxtentacle 2y ago
  Author here. I fully agree with you that cheap Chinese resin should never be used in a living area, not even with my improvised ventilation. That's why I said in the first paragraph to "never use [China resin] outside a ventilated factory". That said, I now switched to using locally produced resin which is intended for dentists and is biocompatible (when hardened) and certified for indoor use and only has a class 1 warning level, telling you not to drink it or pour it down the drain. (As opposed to level 3 aerial lung damage with Anycubic resin.) It's quite expensive, but in my case that is tolerable. And I believe this issue is not black and white. For most people who currently have no ventilation system at all, just adding something like mine will already be a huge improvement. Your article looks great and I agree that that might be even better, but it was not possible in my case: I did not have any way to properly attach an exhaust, which is why I needed to use a solution that works with the existing window. And when I go on vacation, I need to close that window for insurance reasons. So I needed something that was easily removable, too. Also, I sometimes work with Epoxy glue and Acrylic paint and I solder electronics and I wanted to make sure that the exhaust will cover these use-cases, too. That said, I think the best solution would be to combine your article and my window cover. I could probably connect a tube from the active coal filter port on my GKtwo directly to one of those fans. That way, it'd be sucking 25% of the airflow through the resin printer and the remaining 75% from the ambient air in the room. And yes, I wear gloves, goggles, and respirator every time I handle resin. I thought that part was common knowledge, which is why I did not explicitly mention it.
zactato 2y ago
I just ordered by first 3D printer, I'm not normally sensitive to air quality issues, but my partner is, so I spent some time doing some research on the issue. It's amazing how many people believe "if you can't smell it, there's no problem" and quite incorrectly assume that things like PLA won't hurt them. Surely minimal exposure is fine, but 3d printers run over many hour periods and those VOCs can build up. I decided to be safe and bought a basic fabric enclosure with an exhaust fan that vents to the outdoors. It's probably not perfect, but maintaining negative pressure inside the enclosure should remove most particulates. I wouldnt handle bromine in it. I'm worried about all the folks running print farms in their house with minimal ventilation.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  And you're talking about an FDM printer but the author talks about resin printers which are hundreds of times more harmful. That said fabric enclosure with something that goes up to 250 degrees Celsius isn't the best idea. There are fireproof 3D printing enclosures.
  - ofrzeta 2y ago
    I recently learned that now there's some kind of "bio resin" that seems to be less toxic. So maybe that would be ok?
    - terribleperson 2y ago
      I doubt it's any safer. Things that UV cure tend not to be nice.
      - ofrzeta 2y ago
        Hm, they say it's safe for children's toys, according to some certification: https://store.anycubic.com/collections/uv-resin/products/bio-resin https://store.anycubic.com/collections/uv-resin/products/bio...
ryandetzel 2y ago
The problem for me is it's 23 degrees f outside so if I vent outside I'm losing money
- beala 2y ago
  Not sure why you're getting down voted. If you're venting air outside, that air must get replaced with other air. Unless you have a fancy heat recovery system, pointing a fan out the window on a freezing day is just as bad as pointing one in the window. Maybe it's worth it given the health risks, but let's not pretend the tradeoffs aren't there.
- LegitShady 2y ago
  its not just losing money - it will drop the air temps around your printer and that will do weird things to your print. all of these "direct vent" solutions are in warm areas or summer only. Its -2 f / -19c outside right now. I can't direct vent anything. Vapor from inside will turn to ice outside wherever I'm venting. It can't be done half assed.
Tempest1981 2y ago
Here's a similar version to the German link, but US store and voltage: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C99834TW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C99834TW Any suggestions for something similar, but with temperature controlled speed?

22 points by fxtentacle 2y ago

This is by far not enough for a resin printer. You need an enclosure and to vent out the air much faster. That said, it doesn't have to be more expensive. I bought a 30€ inline bathroom fan, 8€ of tubing, and a 40€ cabinet from Ikea. From there I cut a hole on the side of the cabinet, 3D print a "liner" to attach the tubing to the hole and vent it out through a 3D printed cover with a vent hole where I attached the rest of the tubing. It is much much safer and vastly more efficient, while remaining affordable. The main advantage is that this is also suitable in an apartment without basement since the fan is much more powerful, and looks a lot better for a room which is not supposed to look like a basement. Here's a guide I recommend: https://www.asianjoyco.com/resources-tutorials/ventilation-upgrades-for-3d-resin-printing https://www.asianjoyco.com/resources-tutorials/ventilation-u... The author here seems extremely ignorant regarding the risks of 3D printing with resin. You must wear full PPE including a respirator at all times when working with resin, even if you don't smell anything.

postit 2y ago
I’ve build a similar setup recently. My partner even got excited thinking I’d finally start growing only to be disappointed when I explained what I was doing.
Symbiote 2y ago
There's no way I'd have a resin printer in an apartment. What's your plan when you spill resin on the floor?
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
  Ignoring the fact that there's no way I can spill resin on the floor with my current printing / curing setup, I would just wipe most of it off with paper towels, then clean with water (or IPA but I use water-washable resin), and then if really needed I would cure it and scrape it off. I don't have a single drop of resin anywhere on the desk where I take care of prints, so it's not that hard. Note that it's in a room that I dedicate as my workshop, so I'm the only one that goes in and only for DYI purpose (and rarely).
  - Ruthalas 2y ago
    Parent may be imagining a carpeted apartment, which would make cleanup more difficult. When I was in such a location I used silicone project mats with raised edges fastidiously to avoid ever dripping on the carpet.
    - iLoveOncall 2y ago
      Yes that's what I was thinking of after leaving my own comment, but it's a lot less common outside of the US. I have wooden floors. Otherwise I would definitely either avoid it entirely or cover the whole floor area one way or another.
    - Symbiote 2y ago
      Carpet or cracks between wooden floor planks, plus the fumes from the spill will then be in the room and need ventilating. When I was briefly considering buying a resin printer, I was horrified by the comments on Reddit from teenagers who were printing D&D figures in their bedrooms, handling spills by rubbing them into the carpet, or assuming "low odour" meant "safe". In these discussions, comments from a chemist who claimed to work for a company producing the resin were downvoted, they didn't want to know. "Well, I'll be careful" generally isn't an adequate safety precaution in industry or academia.
fxtentacle 2y ago
Author here. I fully agree with you that cheap Chinese resin should never be used in a living area, not even with my improvised ventilation. That's why I said in the first paragraph to "never use [China resin] outside a ventilated factory". That said, I now switched to using locally produced resin which is intended for dentists and is biocompatible (when hardened) and certified for indoor use and only has a class 1 warning level, telling you not to drink it or pour it down the drain. (As opposed to level 3 aerial lung damage with Anycubic resin.) It's quite expensive, but in my case that is tolerable. And I believe this issue is not black and white. For most people who currently have no ventilation system at all, just adding something like mine will already be a huge improvement. Your article looks great and I agree that that might be even better, but it was not possible in my case: I did not have any way to properly attach an exhaust, which is why I needed to use a solution that works with the existing window. And when I go on vacation, I need to close that window for insurance reasons. So I needed something that was easily removable, too. Also, I sometimes work with Epoxy glue and Acrylic paint and I solder electronics and I wanted to make sure that the exhaust will cover these use-cases, too. That said, I think the best solution would be to combine your article and my window cover. I could probably connect a tube from the active coal filter port on my GKtwo directly to one of those fans. That way, it'd be sucking 25% of the airflow through the resin printer and the remaining 75% from the ambient air in the room. And yes, I wear gloves, goggles, and respirator every time I handle resin. I thought that part was common knowledge, which is why I did not explicitly mention it.

zactato 2y ago

I just ordered by first 3D printer, I'm not normally sensitive to air quality issues, but my partner is, so I spent some time doing some research on the issue. It's amazing how many people believe "if you can't smell it, there's no problem" and quite incorrectly assume that things like PLA won't hurt them. Surely minimal exposure is fine, but 3d printers run over many hour periods and those VOCs can build up. I decided to be safe and bought a basic fabric enclosure with an exhaust fan that vents to the outdoors. It's probably not perfect, but maintaining negative pressure inside the enclosure should remove most particulates. I wouldnt handle bromine in it. I'm worried about all the folks running print farms in their house with minimal ventilation.

iLoveOncall 2y ago
And you're talking about an FDM printer but the author talks about resin printers which are hundreds of times more harmful. That said fabric enclosure with something that goes up to 250 degrees Celsius isn't the best idea. There are fireproof 3D printing enclosures.
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  I recently learned that now there's some kind of "bio resin" that seems to be less toxic. So maybe that would be ok?
  - terribleperson 2y ago
    I doubt it's any safer. Things that UV cure tend not to be nice.
    - ofrzeta 2y ago
      Hm, they say it's safe for children's toys, according to some certification: https://store.anycubic.com/collections/uv-resin/products/bio-resin https://store.anycubic.com/collections/uv-resin/products/bio...

ryandetzel 2y ago

The problem for me is it's 23 degrees f outside so if I vent outside I'm losing money

beala 2y ago
Not sure why you're getting down voted. If you're venting air outside, that air must get replaced with other air. Unless you have a fancy heat recovery system, pointing a fan out the window on a freezing day is just as bad as pointing one in the window. Maybe it's worth it given the health risks, but let's not pretend the tradeoffs aren't there.
LegitShady 2y ago
its not just losing money - it will drop the air temps around your printer and that will do weird things to your print. all of these "direct vent" solutions are in warm areas or summer only. Its -2 f / -19c outside right now. I can't direct vent anything. Vapor from inside will turn to ice outside wherever I'm venting. It can't be done half assed.

Tempest1981 2y ago

Here's a similar version to the German link, but US store and voltage: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C99834TW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C99834TW Any suggestions for something similar, but with temperature controlled speed?