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> all they had do to was not attack Israel. Who? The 45,418 killed Palestinians and countless more maimed? Take a hike.

exe34 2y ago
Oh you're peddling the "UN" numbers that they repeat from Hamas, where every dead fighter turns into a civilian? Take a running jump.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  I can't argue with someone who chooses to selectively believe reality and institutions of authority according to their biases. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-ham... Of course you might argue that Al Jazeera's Middle Eastern affiliations prevent them from giving unbiased coverage. Even though that would discredit every single Palestinian journalist. I honestly don't give a hoot if you keep your head in the sand.
  - exe34 2y ago
    I'm sorry, did I give the impression that I trust the UN when it comes to Israel?
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      The problem is you don't seem to have a well-developed trust model. Trusting authority isn't even needed because of all of the grassroots journalism coming out of Gaza. Trust is what people with underdeveloped research and information processing skills do. You don't need to trust anything. Verify. Corroborate. But it's also important to recognize when large groups of governments are coming together to condemn an activity. Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and there is absolutely no excuse for any of it. It takes two seconds to confirm with your own eyes what is happening to civilians in Gaza.
      - exe34 2y ago
        > Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel.
        defrost 2y ago
        Not singluar in the least. The official declaration of a Gaza genocide is contemporous with the Masalit genocide and both come after the Rohingya genocide declaration. Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity.
        exe34 2y ago
        "Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity." yes that's because Ukraine doesn't build munitions depots under schools and hospitals. remember when Israel was said to have bombed a hospital, it turned out the rocket came from hamas, was launched from the hospital and landed in the parking lot. a lot of the stories that you read online are basically made up, or greatly exaggerated, but you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated.
        defrost 2y ago
        > but you seem very keen to believe them .. Really? I've made no statement here other than to assert that several events have been officially declared as genocides in the past decade. This is a factually true assertion. You can verify that each of the events has been declared as such for yourself by checking the official UN statements on each. If you disagree with their declarations about, for instance, the Rohingya genocide then you can write a strong letter disagreeing with their lengthy report. It remains a fact that each event listed above has been described as a genocide by multiple counties, humanitarian groups, the UN, etc.
        2y ago

Oh you're peddling the "UN" numbers that they repeat from Hamas, where every dead fighter turns into a civilian? Take a running jump.

soulofmischief 2y ago
I can't argue with someone who chooses to selectively believe reality and institutions of authority according to their biases. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-ham... Of course you might argue that Al Jazeera's Middle Eastern affiliations prevent them from giving unbiased coverage. Even though that would discredit every single Palestinian journalist. I honestly don't give a hoot if you keep your head in the sand.
- exe34 2y ago
  I'm sorry, did I give the impression that I trust the UN when it comes to Israel?
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    The problem is you don't seem to have a well-developed trust model. Trusting authority isn't even needed because of all of the grassroots journalism coming out of Gaza. Trust is what people with underdeveloped research and information processing skills do. You don't need to trust anything. Verify. Corroborate. But it's also important to recognize when large groups of governments are coming together to condemn an activity. Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and there is absolutely no excuse for any of it. It takes two seconds to confirm with your own eyes what is happening to civilians in Gaza.
    - exe34 2y ago
      > Groups of people are dying left and right across the globe, persecuted, raped and killed for both ideological and capitalistic reasons, and for some reason it's only a genocide when one loses a war against Israel.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Not singluar in the least. The official declaration of a Gaza genocide is contemporous with the Masalit genocide and both come after the Rohingya genocide declaration. Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity.
        exe34 2y ago
        "Even various actions of Russia wrt Ukranians have been declared war crimes and crimes against humanity." yes that's because Ukraine doesn't build munitions depots under schools and hospitals. remember when Israel was said to have bombed a hospital, it turned out the rocket came from hamas, was launched from the hospital and landed in the parking lot. a lot of the stories that you read online are basically made up, or greatly exaggerated, but you seem very keen to believe them if a Jew can be claimed to have been implicated.
        defrost 2y ago
        > but you seem very keen to believe them .. Really? I've made no statement here other than to assert that several events have been officially declared as genocides in the past decade. This is a factually true assertion. You can verify that each of the events has been declared as such for yourself by checking the official UN statements on each. If you disagree with their declarations about, for instance, the Rohingya genocide then you can write a strong letter disagreeing with their lengthy report. It remains a fact that each event listed above has been described as a genocide by multiple counties, humanitarian groups, the UN, etc.
        2y ago