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The original OP is an anecdote. Could you link the extraordinary data? I want to see how they can empirically test this

by stogot 2y ago

lenkite 2y ago
Honestly, you can very easily find this yourself. Multiple independent studies carried out across both organizations and nations have shown this. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4866579/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4866579/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1353829217300503 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S135382921... For the layman: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/moving-childhood-depression.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/moving-childhood-d... https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/moving-even-once-in-childhood-boosts-depression-risk-later-in-life/ https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/moving-even-once-in-childh... https://www.verywellmind.com/moving-depression-and-your-child-1066796 https://www.verywellmind.com/moving-depression-and-your-chil...
- LouisSayers 2y ago
  And how much of this is just correlation and not due to mobility per se? From the first link you provided: > Firstly, increased risk for onset of mental disorders between mid-adolescence and early middle age could be a consequence of serious and enduring difficulties within families, rather than being a direct result of residential mobility. Relocation occurs more commonly amongst single parent and step families and those from lower socioeconomic background
  - lenkite 2y ago
    It cannot be dismissed as mere "correlation". These studies have been carried out on people of middle-class background too. Esp children of defense service personnel who have experienced frequent mobility. And studies carried out by different nations AND different cultures as well! Mental well-being is not mathematics - you cannot proof a definite cause with utterly no ambiguity. Unfortunately, you took one single "could be" sentence out of an entire gamut of data confirming mobility-related mental health issues in children and completely ignored the conclusions section in that same paper, so I think you have already severely hardened your position and are unlikely to be convinced by anything I offer. I would suggest simply talking to a practicing psychologist about this - you would probably be far more convinced than a HN commenter. Actually, this is where I first found out the same - I didn't know about this until a consultation with a psychologist. (You can also ask your AI buddies - ChatGPT also confirmed it with several case studies offered.)
- borski 2y ago
  Literally the first three proposed explanations in the discussion of the findings in the meta-study you linked are correlational. It is only the fourth proposed explanation that suggests a possible causal relationship.

The original OP is an anecdote. Could you link the extraordinary data? I want to see how they can empirically test this

by stogot 2y ago

The original OP is an anecdote. Could you link the extraordinary data? I want to see how they can empirically test this

Honestly, you can very easily find this yourself. Multiple independent studies carried out across both organizations and nations have shown this. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4866579/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4866579/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1353829217300503 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S135382921... For the layman: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/moving-childhood-depression.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/moving-childhood-d... https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/moving-even-once-in-childhood-boosts-depression-risk-later-in-life/ https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/moving-even-once-in-childh... https://www.verywellmind.com/moving-depression-and-your-child-1066796 https://www.verywellmind.com/moving-depression-and-your-chil...

LouisSayers 2y ago
And how much of this is just correlation and not due to mobility per se? From the first link you provided: > Firstly, increased risk for onset of mental disorders between mid-adolescence and early middle age could be a consequence of serious and enduring difficulties within families, rather than being a direct result of residential mobility. Relocation occurs more commonly amongst single parent and step families and those from lower socioeconomic background
- lenkite 2y ago
  It cannot be dismissed as mere "correlation". These studies have been carried out on people of middle-class background too. Esp children of defense service personnel who have experienced frequent mobility. And studies carried out by different nations AND different cultures as well! Mental well-being is not mathematics - you cannot proof a definite cause with utterly no ambiguity. Unfortunately, you took one single "could be" sentence out of an entire gamut of data confirming mobility-related mental health issues in children and completely ignored the conclusions section in that same paper, so I think you have already severely hardened your position and are unlikely to be convinced by anything I offer. I would suggest simply talking to a practicing psychologist about this - you would probably be far more convinced than a HN commenter. Actually, this is where I first found out the same - I didn't know about this until a consultation with a psychologist. (You can also ask your AI buddies - ChatGPT also confirmed it with several case studies offered.)
borski 2y ago
Literally the first three proposed explanations in the discussion of the findings in the meta-study you linked are correlational. It is only the fourth proposed explanation that suggests a possible causal relationship.