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What TikTok offered was abhorrent to American sensibilities: America: we don’t want ccp censorship of people’s content ByteDance: no problem, here are the knob

What TikTok offered was abhorrent to American sensibilities: America: we don’t want ccp censorship of people’s content ByteDance: no problem, here are the knobs for US gov censorship, should be ok! America: you have missed the point entirely, pls go away Have a think why this might be, thinking about… rule of law, acceptability to the public, democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of association, authoritarian states and arbitrary rules. There is a reason why one place must carefully plan policy, and another place can arbitrarily restrictions on anyone or anything. State violence can be used in both cases, but typically the later will use friends and family for leverage with such state violence. I just wish for a world without bytedance and its patrons stamping on the worlds faces forever.

maxglute 2y ago
What TikTok offers is compliant with American sensibilities considering it follows US laws and is massively popular with US audiences. You know rule of law... acceptability to the public etc etc. If anything PRC restrictions are less arbiturary since it applies to all platform operators, while US is arbiturary since it doesn't.
- proxynoproxy 2y ago
  You are making the same mistake as bytedance. It’s not about applying the law equally, it’s about the abhorrence of such laws. When you have no say in the law, all you can demand is that it is applied equally. When you have a say in the law, you can question its existence.
  - maxglute 2y ago
    One can point out the existence of the law is designed to be not about equal application, and highlight that is reflection on quality of law and the interests behind it. Ultimately, it's applier's perogative to push unequal application. Highlighting this scenario is one where US is more rule by law vs PRC rule of law is certainly going to seem like a mistake to those who want to interpret it as the opposite.
    - proxynoproxy 2y ago
      Again, you are missing the point, which may be a product of your environment. It’s not about systemic differences, or who is doing rule of law “properly”. One side is pointing at knobs with the word China crossed out and replaced with USA. The other side is shocked that someone would make such knobs in the first place, regardless of their label. The issue is not the shape of the knob, or the color, or its size. The issue is the knobs existence.
      - maxglute 2y ago
        Who is shocked? It's extremely not surprising the knob exists, it's surprising so many people think the knob is one shape when it's another. The original chain is about discussing the shape, not the existence.
        proxynoproxy 2y ago
        Getting closer!! You are not shocked, and can’t see why anyone would be surprised the knob exists. This is closer to the root issue. I want you to think about people that might be shocked, Not for the shape, but the existence. Or why one might even desire such knobs. Think about why this might be. It’s all very abstract now. You are not trying to convince me of anything, and all I am trying to do is expand your perspective. Peace to all.

maxglute 2y ago

What TikTok offers is compliant with American sensibilities considering it follows US laws and is massively popular with US audiences. You know rule of law... acceptability to the public etc etc. If anything PRC restrictions are less arbiturary since it applies to all platform operators, while US is arbiturary since it doesn't.

proxynoproxy 2y ago
You are making the same mistake as bytedance. It’s not about applying the law equally, it’s about the abhorrence of such laws. When you have no say in the law, all you can demand is that it is applied equally. When you have a say in the law, you can question its existence.
- maxglute 2y ago
  One can point out the existence of the law is designed to be not about equal application, and highlight that is reflection on quality of law and the interests behind it. Ultimately, it's applier's perogative to push unequal application. Highlighting this scenario is one where US is more rule by law vs PRC rule of law is certainly going to seem like a mistake to those who want to interpret it as the opposite.
  - proxynoproxy 2y ago
    Again, you are missing the point, which may be a product of your environment. It’s not about systemic differences, or who is doing rule of law “properly”. One side is pointing at knobs with the word China crossed out and replaced with USA. The other side is shocked that someone would make such knobs in the first place, regardless of their label. The issue is not the shape of the knob, or the color, or its size. The issue is the knobs existence.
    - maxglute 2y ago
      Who is shocked? It's extremely not surprising the knob exists, it's surprising so many people think the knob is one shape when it's another. The original chain is about discussing the shape, not the existence.
      - proxynoproxy 2y ago
        Getting closer!! You are not shocked, and can’t see why anyone would be surprised the knob exists. This is closer to the root issue. I want you to think about people that might be shocked, Not for the shape, but the existence. Or why one might even desire such knobs. Think about why this might be. It’s all very abstract now. You are not trying to convince me of anything, and all I am trying to do is expand your perspective. Peace to all.