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As far as I undertand there is no voting fraud involved. It tells a bit about the establishment candidates if you can become a president by buying TikTok likes

As far as I undertand there is no voting fraud involved. It tells a bit about the establishment candidates if you can become a president by buying TikTok likes with 1M EUR. Someone needs to take a look at a mirror.

Wytwwww 2y ago
> if you can become a president by buying TikTok He didn't though and I doubt he could. He got 23% of the vote which is a lot but in no way does it guarantee that he could ever come close to 50% in the second round. He only won because the non pro-Russian (i.e. pro-fascist) parties aren't actually united.
- rdtsc 2y ago
  > pro-Russian (i.e. pro-fascist) It's a bit funny that pro-Russian ones are considered pro-fascist, even as Russian government is fighting allegedly "fascist" Ukranians, and their official goal of their war is to "denazi-fy" it. "-You're the fascists!" / "-Oh I don't think so, you are the real fascists" / "-No, way, you are!" etc. But to be serious, and not being too familiar with the situation, if this guy is a fascist, how the heck did he get 23% of the votes? We're talking about a EU country not North Korea or something of that sort.
  - data_maan 2y ago
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  - bgnn 2y ago
    Eastern Europe is very different. Years of eastern-block, and the poverty afterwards does that to you.
    - nuker 2y ago
      Yep. I just read this, following the wiki link of OP, and it starts make sense :( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom
  - Wytwwww 2y ago
    > pro-Russian ones are considered pro-fascist If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (even if that duck claims that it's an elephant and keeps saying that everyone else is a duck). I mean... objectively Russia ticks pretty much all of the boxes, just compare it with Mussolini's Italy.
    - skissane 2y ago
      > I mean... objectively Russia ticks pretty much all of the boxes, just compare it with Mussolini's Italy. Is Putin's ideology a form of "fascism"? Some scholars say "yes", others say "no". Since you already seem to have a good awareness of the "yes" case, let me share with you some of the "no" case [0]: > “Snyder is wrong,” Nikolay Mitrokhin, a Russia researcher with Germany’s Bremen University, told Al Jazeera. > Russia doesn’t meet the criteria of a fascist state – there is no ideological party, no hysterical cult of the leader, and no revolutionary new regime juxtaposed to the old one. > Instead, in Russia, “there is an aggressive, imperialist, authoritarian state with a ruling junta”, Mitrokhin said. I'm not a fan of Putin – I have always been cheering for Ukraine in the present war, and I think it is disappointing it has not gone better for the Ukrainians, but I suppose hope springs eternal – but I also think the word "fascism" is overused nowadays, and I prefer narrower definitions like that of Mitrokhin – the broader definitions miss significant aspects of what Mussolini was actually on about. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/how-fascist-are-putins-views https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/how-fascist-are-pu...
      - lostmsu 2y ago
        It ticks all the boxes from the Wikipedia definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Authoritarian+, and ultranationalist+, ... dictatorial leader+, centralized autocracy+, militarism+, forcible suppression of opposition+, belief in a natural social hierarchy (+ as far as regime goes), subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation+ or race, and strong regimentation of society+ and the economy+
        2y ago
  - reshlo 2y ago
    > if this guy is a fascist, how the heck did he get 23% of the votes? Many of us are asking similar questions of the country that just reelected a man who regularly and openly expresses fascist sentiments, incited an insurrection and attempted to commit a coup. Comparing Romania to North Korea instead of to that country is an… interesting choice.
    - rdtsc 2y ago
      > any of us are asking similar questions of the country that just reelected a man who regularly and openly expresses fascist sentiments Madness. Fascism is everywhere these days, it seems!
  - Ygg2 2y ago
    > are considered pro-fascist If you were to look into Devil's dictionary for the year 2024, you'd see: Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) - people I disagree with.
    - RealityVoid 2y ago
      How about people that say that actual fascists were good people and have anti-smemitical discourse and use word for word fascist speeches and denie the existence of victims in these hideous systems? How do you call those?
      - Ygg2 2y ago
        Since I would disagree with them, they are also fascist. Also extreme right. I'm sorry but calling everyone Fascist/Nazist has semantically watered down the meaning.
        freen 2y ago
        The gulag doesn’t care.
  - freen 2y ago
    Italy, Germany, Spain… Mussolini, Hitler, Franco… Fascists don’t come out and say: Vote for me, and I’ll commit genocide, and have thought police and assassination squads! No: fascists want power, will use that power to take aways yours, and have absolutely no compunction about lying, cheating, and stealing to get that power. Fascists will say till they are blue in the face that you are violating their rights in order to get power, and will claim to support those rights right up until they get power. And then? Freedom of What now? To the gulag with you!
fuzztester 2y ago
>Someone needs to take a look at a mirror. irony something one finger something something something three fingers https://vocabulary1.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-phrase-if-you-point-one-finger-there-are-3-more-pointing-back-at-you?top_ans=349631723 https://vocabulary1.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-phr... goldfinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)
- fuzztester 2y ago
  "got" you, you joker! :)
freen 2y ago
You’ve made the classic error: assuming that anyone who tries to become president is acting in good faith. A well funded bad faith candidate will ALWAYS beat any good faith candidate. Why? You can tell everyone you’ll do exactly what they want you to do. Muslims: I’ll stop the violence in Gaza instantly, I support a ceasefire. The other guy wants to kill all Palestinians. Jews: I will support Israel unconditionally. The other guy wants Israel wiped off the map. And people make the mistake you are: well, he’s running for president. He CANNOT possibly be that corrupt. And they will vote, in droves, for the demagogue. That’s why that word exists.

Wytwwww 2y ago

> if you can become a president by buying TikTok He didn't though and I doubt he could. He got 23% of the vote which is a lot but in no way does it guarantee that he could ever come close to 50% in the second round. He only won because the non pro-Russian (i.e. pro-fascist) parties aren't actually united.

rdtsc 2y ago
> pro-Russian (i.e. pro-fascist) It's a bit funny that pro-Russian ones are considered pro-fascist, even as Russian government is fighting allegedly "fascist" Ukranians, and their official goal of their war is to "denazi-fy" it. "-You're the fascists!" / "-Oh I don't think so, you are the real fascists" / "-No, way, you are!" etc. But to be serious, and not being too familiar with the situation, if this guy is a fascist, how the heck did he get 23% of the votes? We're talking about a EU country not North Korea or something of that sort.
- data_maan 2y ago
  [flagged]
- bgnn 2y ago
  Eastern Europe is very different. Years of eastern-block, and the poverty afterwards does that to you.
  - nuker 2y ago
    Yep. I just read this, following the wiki link of OP, and it starts make sense :( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ia%C8%99i_pogrom
- Wytwwww 2y ago
  > pro-Russian ones are considered pro-fascist If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (even if that duck claims that it's an elephant and keeps saying that everyone else is a duck). I mean... objectively Russia ticks pretty much all of the boxes, just compare it with Mussolini's Italy.
  - skissane 2y ago
    > I mean... objectively Russia ticks pretty much all of the boxes, just compare it with Mussolini's Italy. Is Putin's ideology a form of "fascism"? Some scholars say "yes", others say "no". Since you already seem to have a good awareness of the "yes" case, let me share with you some of the "no" case [0]: > “Snyder is wrong,” Nikolay Mitrokhin, a Russia researcher with Germany’s Bremen University, told Al Jazeera. > Russia doesn’t meet the criteria of a fascist state – there is no ideological party, no hysterical cult of the leader, and no revolutionary new regime juxtaposed to the old one. > Instead, in Russia, “there is an aggressive, imperialist, authoritarian state with a ruling junta”, Mitrokhin said. I'm not a fan of Putin – I have always been cheering for Ukraine in the present war, and I think it is disappointing it has not gone better for the Ukrainians, but I suppose hope springs eternal – but I also think the word "fascism" is overused nowadays, and I prefer narrower definitions like that of Mitrokhin – the broader definitions miss significant aspects of what Mussolini was actually on about. [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/how-fascist-are-putins-views https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/26/how-fascist-are-pu...
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      It ticks all the boxes from the Wikipedia definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Authoritarian+, and ultranationalist+, ... dictatorial leader+, centralized autocracy+, militarism+, forcible suppression of opposition+, belief in a natural social hierarchy (+ as far as regime goes), subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation+ or race, and strong regimentation of society+ and the economy+
      - 2y ago
- reshlo 2y ago
  > if this guy is a fascist, how the heck did he get 23% of the votes? Many of us are asking similar questions of the country that just reelected a man who regularly and openly expresses fascist sentiments, incited an insurrection and attempted to commit a coup. Comparing Romania to North Korea instead of to that country is an… interesting choice.
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    > any of us are asking similar questions of the country that just reelected a man who regularly and openly expresses fascist sentiments Madness. Fascism is everywhere these days, it seems!
- Ygg2 2y ago
  > are considered pro-fascist If you were to look into Devil's dictionary for the year 2024, you'd see: Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) - people I disagree with.
  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    How about people that say that actual fascists were good people and have anti-smemitical discourse and use word for word fascist speeches and denie the existence of victims in these hideous systems? How do you call those?
    - Ygg2 2y ago
      Since I would disagree with them, they are also fascist. Also extreme right. I'm sorry but calling everyone Fascist/Nazist has semantically watered down the meaning.
      - freen 2y ago
        The gulag doesn’t care.
- freen 2y ago
  Italy, Germany, Spain… Mussolini, Hitler, Franco… Fascists don’t come out and say: Vote for me, and I’ll commit genocide, and have thought police and assassination squads! No: fascists want power, will use that power to take aways yours, and have absolutely no compunction about lying, cheating, and stealing to get that power. Fascists will say till they are blue in the face that you are violating their rights in order to get power, and will claim to support those rights right up until they get power. And then? Freedom of What now? To the gulag with you!

fuzztester 2y ago

>Someone needs to take a look at a mirror. irony something one finger something something something three fingers https://vocabulary1.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-phrase-if-you-point-one-finger-there-are-3-more-pointing-back-at-you?top_ans=349631723 https://vocabulary1.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-phr... goldfinger https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_(film)

fuzztester 2y ago
"got" you, you joker! :)

freen 2y ago

You’ve made the classic error: assuming that anyone who tries to become president is acting in good faith. A well funded bad faith candidate will ALWAYS beat any good faith candidate. Why? You can tell everyone you’ll do exactly what they want you to do. Muslims: I’ll stop the violence in Gaza instantly, I support a ceasefire. The other guy wants to kill all Palestinians. Jews: I will support Israel unconditionally. The other guy wants Israel wiped off the map. And people make the mistake you are: well, he’s running for president. He CANNOT possibly be that corrupt. And they will vote, in droves, for the demagogue. That’s why that word exists.