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> DMY dates don't make sense. This is a language issue. DMY makes perfect sense in languages where you'd normally say the date in that sequence. The "problem"

> DMY dates don't make sense. This is a language issue. DMY makes perfect sense in languages where you'd normally say the date in that sequence. The "problem" is that English doesn't do that. The natural flow in English is MDY, e.g. July 4th, 2024. That not how Germanic language (at least those I know) works. In Danish or German you'd say "4th July, 2024", that's just how those languages work. I do agree that for computing ISO 8601 is the way to go as it sorts correctly.

SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
> The natural flow in English is MDY, e.g. July 4th, 2024. I'm sure that's true. This seems more like US custom than the whole English language. "July 4th" sound a bit forced and not natural to me, and I am a native English speaker. Not US English though.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  > I'm sure that's true. I accidentally an important word there. It should be "I'm not sure that's true." It's an English expression that's a bit understated: it means "I'm confident that this is wrong". You can't always argue from "what feels natural" - that's prone to mere familiarity (1), and someone else who is more used to the other way will have the opposite "feel". It's subjective, and not universal. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect
mphalan 2y ago
In England (and Ireland). One tends to say “The 4th of July”. “July 4th” is an Americanism.
- HideousKojima 2y ago
  Both "the 4th of July" and "July 4th" are common in American English
  - SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
    Yes, and only "the 4th of July" is common in UK English.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Only because that's a holiday. The 23rd of March sounds a bit formal here compared to March 23rd, and sounds like it refers to an event or holiday. Wedding invitations might sometimes use that style, for example.
- brudgers 2y ago
  “Independence Day” is the relevant Americanism.
lostlogin 2y ago
> The natural flow in English is MDY In your English maybe. That’s just not a good argument.
Daneel_ 2y ago
That’s highly specific to the US. Most other English-speaking countries say “the Fourth of July”. To me it feels weird to say July fourth.
- LimeLimestone 2y ago
  "July fourth" kinda sounds like there are multiple Julies this year and this is the fourth one :D

SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago

> The natural flow in English is MDY, e.g. July 4th, 2024. I'm sure that's true. This seems more like US custom than the whole English language. "July 4th" sound a bit forced and not natural to me, and I am a native English speaker. Not US English though.

SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
> I'm sure that's true. I accidentally an important word there. It should be "I'm not sure that's true." It's an English expression that's a bit understated: it means "I'm confident that this is wrong". You can't always argue from "what feels natural" - that's prone to mere familiarity (1), and someone else who is more used to the other way will have the opposite "feel". It's subjective, and not universal. 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect

mphalan 2y ago

In England (and Ireland). One tends to say “The 4th of July”. “July 4th” is an Americanism.

HideousKojima 2y ago
Both "the 4th of July" and "July 4th" are common in American English
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  Yes, and only "the 4th of July" is common in UK English.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Only because that's a holiday. The 23rd of March sounds a bit formal here compared to March 23rd, and sounds like it refers to an event or holiday. Wedding invitations might sometimes use that style, for example.
brudgers 2y ago
“Independence Day” is the relevant Americanism.

lostlogin 2y ago

> The natural flow in English is MDY In your English maybe. That’s just not a good argument.

Daneel_ 2y ago

That’s highly specific to the US. Most other English-speaking countries say “the Fourth of July”. To me it feels weird to say July fourth.

LimeLimestone 2y ago
"July fourth" kinda sounds like there are multiple Julies this year and this is the fourth one :D