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DIY Apple iPad Magic Keyboard Portrait Mode Smart Connector Cable

56 points by walterbell 2y ago

saagarjha 2y ago
This is horrible and the result is predictably awful. I love it
dotancohen 2y ago
Sugru was the base for so many of my hacks from about 2005ish to maybe 2020. But it has become so expensive, and the new formulations so unreliable, that I am open to almost any alternative. Even the homemade cornstarch based formulations. I still have a stack of things that I'd love to fix with Sugru, hoping that the old Sugru may someday be available again, or a good alternative could be found.
- sdflhasjd 2y ago
  For making enclosures, I use my 3D printer. It's not a replacement for sugru, but let's you get a lot of the same tasks done in a different approach.
- schwartzworld 2y ago
  If you don’t need the stretchiness of silicone, thermoplastic might be a good answer. You can get little thermoplastic beads that soften up in hot water or under a heat gun. After cooling, they dry quite hard.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    That might work for some purposes. How hot do they need to be? Will I be able to mold them with my fingers? Or will I need to make a mold? If I need to make a mold, out of what material? Thank you.
    - Karliss 2y ago
      It needs ~60℃ . Immediately after pulling it out of the hot water it might little bit too hot and sticky, but after cooling a little bit it will become less sticky and cool enough to safely touch with hands.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        Thanks, this looks like it might work for some of my use cases. Thank you!
- fusslo 2y ago
  I switched to kneadable epoxy putty about a decade ago it's not the same formula by any means, but there's a large variety of putties with different properties. my current go-to is "Polymeric Systems Kneadatite Blue/Yellow Epoxy Putty Tape 90cm Green Stuff"
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Thanks. Can you tell me more about its properties after curing? Right now, I'd love to make a custom earpiece for my smartphone - something I've done with Sugru in the past. It needs the material to be relatively rigid yet pliable after curing. It also needs to be sticky enough to bond to the phone case (I don't bond them to the phone glass anymore). Thank you!
    - fusslo 2y ago
      The one I linked is a rigid solid that is firm enough to sand & file. I wouldnt consider it pliable after curing.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        Thank you.
- semi-extrinsic 2y ago
  Baking soda and super glue. Or just carbon fibre and laminating epoxy...
  - Findecanor 2y ago
    I have had superglue and baking soda break down into a powdery mess. Also, superglue should be kept away from plastic that you'd want to keep pristine. The fumes could make the surface foggy. Great for gluing things you're going to paint anyway though.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    In what ratio? Can you tell me more about its properties after curing? Thank you!
    - semi-extrinsic 2y ago
      So you need to do multiple layers and build up the part gradually. Assuming you start with a broken plastic piece, use a good fixture to hold the part, and consider using a superglue activator spray on the plastic first. Then add as much superglue you can without dripping, and quickly sprinkle enough baking soda to saturate the super glue. Let it dry for a couple of minutes, dust off excess baking soda. Then alternate super glue layer, baking soda layer until you get slightly bigger than final shape. Let it cure fully and then sand it down. I've seen people mend hockey stick blades with it, so it can definitely hold up to a beating. It seems to be a little elastic, so lasts well as long as the bond to the underlying material is good.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        > superglue activator spray I had no idea this even existed. I typically lightly sand pieces. Thank you.
- indrora 2y ago
  The old cornstarch + silicone bathtub sealant + spritz of vinegar solution has been a mainstay for me.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Can you tell me more? What does the vinegar do? Thank you.
    - indrora 2y ago
      One of the reagents (a byproduct actually of the curing process for silicone caulking) is acetic acid (vinegar), which stabilizes the plasticizers. Just a hair more makes it a little more "pliable" for a little while longer while you mold the final product in my experience. You only need a tiny bit, a dilute spray bottle of white vinegar is enough -- It's useful for other things too. YMMV, it appears to be dependent on what style of silicone caulking you use.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        I see, thank you.
walterbell 2y ago
iPad refugee challenge: can Apple Magic Keyboard communicate with Google Pixel Tablet, e.g. with RP2040/RP2350 for protocol conversion? Unlike iPadOS, Android will support VMs. https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/161tpcg/pixel_tablet_stand_modification/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/161tpcg/pixel_... 4-pin connector on the tablet, when looking at the back of the tablet.. (from left to right): ground, data, data, +12v.. two data lines (3v3 logic levels). Couldn't determine the signal type, but it was some kind of differential signalling - could still be USB or maybe UART.. The tablet charges just fine with 12V applied to the connectors! Upcoming 2025 Apple Intelligence HomePad for smart home security control is expected to compete with Amazon Echo Show, with optional wall attachments and speaker base, later to be followed by $1K+ robotic arm, https://9to5mac.com/2024/11/13/apples-new-homepad-is-exactly-what-i-want-in-a-home-device/ https://9to5mac.com/2024/11/13/apples-new-homepad-is-exactly... > they should just literally copy Google's Pixel Tablet strategy. iPads already have the connector pins, just give them a "Home Mode" for when connected to any of these special docks. Otherwise it's a stripped down iPad Mini
criddell 2y ago
I wish somebody would figure out a way to get the Smart Keyboard Folio working with the 13" M4 iPad Pros. I bought one with the Magic Keyboard and returned it. The MK makes it into a laptop and that's not really what I want. The folio is perfect for me. It doesn't add much bulk, it can fold all the way around to be flat, it's easy to remove, and is nice to type on (IMHO). So I'm back to using my well loved 2018 iPad Pro with the Smart Keyboard Folio. It's my favorite computer to work on. Not sure what I'm going to do when it finally dies. I don't think I'll have many options aside from giving in and getting a Magic Keyboard. To me, it seems to be the least worst option.
- mrpippy 2y ago
  Upgrade to a used or new-old-stock M2 iPad Pro instead?
prmoustache 2y ago
Is that keyboard any special? Had I been in that situation my first thought would have been to use a bluetooth or usb-c keyboard instead of building that stuff.
- walterbell 2y ago
  · portable case · dedicated USB-c charging port · tablet USB-c port remains available · not vulnerable to bluetooth security weakness
runjake 2y ago
This scares me, so I do this, but with a Magic Keyboard connected via Bluetooth and a cheap keyboard case[1]. Perhaps not as portable, but damned close, and doesn't involve any high risk modifications. It works very well. 1. https://www.amazon.com/Fintie-Carrying-Apple-Keyboard-MLA22LL/dp/B01K780TN2 https://www.amazon.com/Fintie-Carrying-Apple-Keyboard-MLA22L...

56 points by walterbell 2y ago

This is horrible and the result is predictably awful. I love it

Sugru was the base for so many of my hacks from about 2005ish to maybe 2020. But it has become so expensive, and the new formulations so unreliable, that I am open to almost any alternative. Even the homemade cornstarch based formulations. I still have a stack of things that I'd love to fix with Sugru, hoping that the old Sugru may someday be available again, or a good alternative could be found.

sdflhasjd 2y ago
For making enclosures, I use my 3D printer. It's not a replacement for sugru, but let's you get a lot of the same tasks done in a different approach.
schwartzworld 2y ago
If you don’t need the stretchiness of silicone, thermoplastic might be a good answer. You can get little thermoplastic beads that soften up in hot water or under a heat gun. After cooling, they dry quite hard.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  That might work for some purposes. How hot do they need to be? Will I be able to mold them with my fingers? Or will I need to make a mold? If I need to make a mold, out of what material? Thank you.
  - Karliss 2y ago
    It needs ~60℃ . Immediately after pulling it out of the hot water it might little bit too hot and sticky, but after cooling a little bit it will become less sticky and cool enough to safely touch with hands.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      Thanks, this looks like it might work for some of my use cases. Thank you!
fusslo 2y ago
I switched to kneadable epoxy putty about a decade ago it's not the same formula by any means, but there's a large variety of putties with different properties. my current go-to is "Polymeric Systems Kneadatite Blue/Yellow Epoxy Putty Tape 90cm Green Stuff"
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Thanks. Can you tell me more about its properties after curing? Right now, I'd love to make a custom earpiece for my smartphone - something I've done with Sugru in the past. It needs the material to be relatively rigid yet pliable after curing. It also needs to be sticky enough to bond to the phone case (I don't bond them to the phone glass anymore). Thank you!
  - fusslo 2y ago
    The one I linked is a rigid solid that is firm enough to sand & file. I wouldnt consider it pliable after curing.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      Thank you.
semi-extrinsic 2y ago
Baking soda and super glue. Or just carbon fibre and laminating epoxy...
- Findecanor 2y ago
  I have had superglue and baking soda break down into a powdery mess. Also, superglue should be kept away from plastic that you'd want to keep pristine. The fumes could make the surface foggy. Great for gluing things you're going to paint anyway though.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  In what ratio? Can you tell me more about its properties after curing? Thank you!
  - semi-extrinsic 2y ago
    So you need to do multiple layers and build up the part gradually. Assuming you start with a broken plastic piece, use a good fixture to hold the part, and consider using a superglue activator spray on the plastic first. Then add as much superglue you can without dripping, and quickly sprinkle enough baking soda to saturate the super glue. Let it dry for a couple of minutes, dust off excess baking soda. Then alternate super glue layer, baking soda layer until you get slightly bigger than final shape. Let it cure fully and then sand it down. I've seen people mend hockey stick blades with it, so it can definitely hold up to a beating. It seems to be a little elastic, so lasts well as long as the bond to the underlying material is good.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      > superglue activator spray I had no idea this even existed. I typically lightly sand pieces. Thank you.
indrora 2y ago
The old cornstarch + silicone bathtub sealant + spritz of vinegar solution has been a mainstay for me.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Can you tell me more? What does the vinegar do? Thank you.
  - indrora 2y ago
    One of the reagents (a byproduct actually of the curing process for silicone caulking) is acetic acid (vinegar), which stabilizes the plasticizers. Just a hair more makes it a little more "pliable" for a little while longer while you mold the final product in my experience. You only need a tiny bit, a dilute spray bottle of white vinegar is enough -- It's useful for other things too. YMMV, it appears to be dependent on what style of silicone caulking you use.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      I see, thank you.

walterbell 2y ago

iPad refugee challenge: can Apple Magic Keyboard communicate with Google Pixel Tablet, e.g. with RP2040/RP2350 for protocol conversion? Unlike iPadOS, Android will support VMs. https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/161tpcg/pixel_tablet_stand_modification/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/161tpcg/pixel_... 4-pin connector on the tablet, when looking at the back of the tablet.. (from left to right): ground, data, data, +12v.. two data lines (3v3 logic levels). Couldn't determine the signal type, but it was some kind of differential signalling - could still be USB or maybe UART.. The tablet charges just fine with 12V applied to the connectors! Upcoming 2025 Apple Intelligence HomePad for smart home security control is expected to compete with Amazon Echo Show, with optional wall attachments and speaker base, later to be followed by $1K+ robotic arm, https://9to5mac.com/2024/11/13/apples-new-homepad-is-exactly-what-i-want-in-a-home-device/ https://9to5mac.com/2024/11/13/apples-new-homepad-is-exactly... > they should just literally copy Google's Pixel Tablet strategy. iPads already have the connector pins, just give them a "Home Mode" for when connected to any of these special docks. Otherwise it's a stripped down iPad Mini

criddell 2y ago

I wish somebody would figure out a way to get the Smart Keyboard Folio working with the 13" M4 iPad Pros. I bought one with the Magic Keyboard and returned it. The MK makes it into a laptop and that's not really what I want. The folio is perfect for me. It doesn't add much bulk, it can fold all the way around to be flat, it's easy to remove, and is nice to type on (IMHO). So I'm back to using my well loved 2018 iPad Pro with the Smart Keyboard Folio. It's my favorite computer to work on. Not sure what I'm going to do when it finally dies. I don't think I'll have many options aside from giving in and getting a Magic Keyboard. To me, it seems to be the least worst option.

mrpippy 2y ago
Upgrade to a used or new-old-stock M2 iPad Pro instead?

prmoustache 2y ago

Is that keyboard any special? Had I been in that situation my first thought would have been to use a bluetooth or usb-c keyboard instead of building that stuff.

walterbell 2y ago
· portable case · dedicated USB-c charging port · tablet USB-c port remains available · not vulnerable to bluetooth security weakness

runjake 2y ago

This scares me, so I do this, but with a Magic Keyboard connected via Bluetooth and a cheap keyboard case[1]. Perhaps not as portable, but damned close, and doesn't involve any high risk modifications. It works very well. 1. https://www.amazon.com/Fintie-Carrying-Apple-Keyboard-MLA22LL/dp/B01K780TN2 https://www.amazon.com/Fintie-Carrying-Apple-Keyboard-MLA22L...