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I don't know why you interpret my comment like that, I don't support Russia, I say that Israel is just like Russia from that standpoint. Are you by any chance

by mrtksn 2y ago

I don't know why you interpret my comment like that, I don't support Russia, I say that Israel is just like Russia from that standpoint. Are you by any chance assuming that Israel is absolutely innocent, therefore I must be claiming that Russia must be also innocent? It's the other way around, they are both aggressor and invaders. Anyone claiming that countries shouldn't invade other countries and respect the internationally recognized borders then should support Ukraine and Palestine.

myrmidon 2y ago
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- mrtksn 2y ago
  They should have solved it before 7th of October and if that was not possible they shouldn't have been committing AI assisted genocide. Sometimes you screw up with your intelligence and diplomacy, you take a hit and this still doesn't give you a right to genocide. The same for the Palestinians BTW, you screw up lose a war get occupied and you still don'y get right to do terror attacks. I'm actually fan of Israel, It's a country I want to visit a lot and I actually admire the things they achieved in that barely livable land. Which makes me extra sad too see into what they have turned.
  - dunekid 2y ago
    > barely livable land You don't get the three major religions with community at the core, in a place like Mars. It is Mediterranean coast with documented habitation spanning millenia. The incredibly dehumanising colonial propaganda, that is a land without people for a people without land, is just that; A dehumanising propaganda which reduces the native population to savages and not-human.
- pphysch 2y ago
  > Russias invasion of Ukraine on the other hand, does not have an October 7th Zelensky massed the largest land army in Europe excluding Russia, and then in March 2021 officially declared imminent war on Russia. Only then did Russia start heavily militarizing its border and a year later, after many failed attempts at diplomacy, formally invaded. Gaza can't even do many of the these things because they don't have statehood, much less a real army. It is offensively disingenuous to argue that Israel's genocide and illegal occupation is justified by Oct 7, but Russian military operations can never be justified even by an official and credible declaration of war by military-peer Ukraine.
  - myrmidon 2y ago
    What was the justification for annexing Crimea in 2014 then? Your timeline seems a bit biased to me, because having a big part of your nation annexed by a neighboring army seems like a reasonable cause for shoring up your land defenses to me. Do you also dispute that there were Russian troops on Ukrainian territory before 2021, fighting alongside Ukrainian separatists with Russian provided materiel? Because there is a long report on this, since they accidentally shot down a civilian airliner...
    - pphysch 2y ago
      > thinks Israel-Palestine conflict started on October 7. > "but what about 8 years before 2022 Russian invasion?" I'm not going to engage further with this obviously bad faith trolling. No point. Have a good weekend!
      - myrmidon 2y ago
        I'm not "bad faith trolling". Unlike a troll, I actually stand behind my points instead of taking up some arbitrary contrarian position which I then shift around whenever parts of it become untenable to defend. Also note that accusing others of trolling or shilling is against the site guidelines. > thinks Israel-Palestine conflict started on October 7. I most certainly did not think or say that. But this was a discussion about the analogies between the Ukraine war and the Israel/Palestine massacres, and bringing up '67 or the first intifada would have been about as relevant to that discussion as Holodomor or the Ukrainian Peoples Republic short history (which is why I did not talk about any of those). > "but what about 8 years before 2022 Russian invasion?" My point is that you picked a highly arbitrary date to support your position-- pretending like Ukraine set up the conditions for war with Russia out of the blue, followed by honest diplomatic attempts and a formally declared war from Russia out of any other options. This is simply not the case: Russia built up its invasion troops months before attempting the invasion, and its fishing for excuses, false-flag operations covered ceaselessly in state media (to manipulate public opinion) and efforts to misrepresent the Donbas situation are quite well documented. There also never was a formal declaration of war, and calling the march on a sovereign nations capital a "peacekeeping operation" seems a bit of a stretch to me. I honestly believe that there could have been genuine reasons for Russia to involve itself in the Ukraine-- even to send soldiers into the Donbas. But insisting that Russia shifted troops into Belarus to help or protect the people in Donetsk and Luhansk is frankly insulting (given hindsight).

by mrtksn 2y ago

myrmidon 2y ago

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mrtksn 2y ago
They should have solved it before 7th of October and if that was not possible they shouldn't have been committing AI assisted genocide. Sometimes you screw up with your intelligence and diplomacy, you take a hit and this still doesn't give you a right to genocide. The same for the Palestinians BTW, you screw up lose a war get occupied and you still don'y get right to do terror attacks. I'm actually fan of Israel, It's a country I want to visit a lot and I actually admire the things they achieved in that barely livable land. Which makes me extra sad too see into what they have turned.
- dunekid 2y ago
  > barely livable land You don't get the three major religions with community at the core, in a place like Mars. It is Mediterranean coast with documented habitation spanning millenia. The incredibly dehumanising colonial propaganda, that is a land without people for a people without land, is just that; A dehumanising propaganda which reduces the native population to savages and not-human.
pphysch 2y ago
> Russias invasion of Ukraine on the other hand, does not have an October 7th Zelensky massed the largest land army in Europe excluding Russia, and then in March 2021 officially declared imminent war on Russia. Only then did Russia start heavily militarizing its border and a year later, after many failed attempts at diplomacy, formally invaded. Gaza can't even do many of the these things because they don't have statehood, much less a real army. It is offensively disingenuous to argue that Israel's genocide and illegal occupation is justified by Oct 7, but Russian military operations can never be justified even by an official and credible declaration of war by military-peer Ukraine.
- myrmidon 2y ago
  What was the justification for annexing Crimea in 2014 then? Your timeline seems a bit biased to me, because having a big part of your nation annexed by a neighboring army seems like a reasonable cause for shoring up your land defenses to me. Do you also dispute that there were Russian troops on Ukrainian territory before 2021, fighting alongside Ukrainian separatists with Russian provided materiel? Because there is a long report on this, since they accidentally shot down a civilian airliner...
  - pphysch 2y ago
    > thinks Israel-Palestine conflict started on October 7. > "but what about 8 years before 2022 Russian invasion?" I'm not going to engage further with this obviously bad faith trolling. No point. Have a good weekend!
    - myrmidon 2y ago
      I'm not "bad faith trolling". Unlike a troll, I actually stand behind my points instead of taking up some arbitrary contrarian position which I then shift around whenever parts of it become untenable to defend. Also note that accusing others of trolling or shilling is against the site guidelines. > thinks Israel-Palestine conflict started on October 7. I most certainly did not think or say that. But this was a discussion about the analogies between the Ukraine war and the Israel/Palestine massacres, and bringing up '67 or the first intifada would have been about as relevant to that discussion as Holodomor or the Ukrainian Peoples Republic short history (which is why I did not talk about any of those). > "but what about 8 years before 2022 Russian invasion?" My point is that you picked a highly arbitrary date to support your position-- pretending like Ukraine set up the conditions for war with Russia out of the blue, followed by honest diplomatic attempts and a formally declared war from Russia out of any other options. This is simply not the case: Russia built up its invasion troops months before attempting the invasion, and its fishing for excuses, false-flag operations covered ceaselessly in state media (to manipulate public opinion) and efforts to misrepresent the Donbas situation are quite well documented. There also never was a formal declaration of war, and calling the march on a sovereign nations capital a "peacekeeping operation" seems a bit of a stretch to me. I honestly believe that there could have been genuine reasons for Russia to involve itself in the Ukraine-- even to send soldiers into the Donbas. But insisting that Russia shifted troops into Belarus to help or protect the people in Donetsk and Luhansk is frankly insulting (given hindsight).