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I don't think anyone is getting disqualified. The elections will be rerun with the same candidates, because the authorities were unable to do it properly the fi

I don't think anyone is getting disqualified. The elections will be rerun with the same candidates, because the authorities were unable to do it properly the first time. If you pay a small amount of money for some political ads, nobody is going to care, because it obviously didn't affect the results substantially. If the amount is large enough, the situation may be different. And then both you and Google may face consequences for illegal election interference.

theultdev 2y ago
So next time Russia should buy ads for the candidate they want to lose. 1. Buy ads for opposition. 2. Opposition reports invalid figures not accounting for russian ads 3. People accuse opposition of being helped by russia and misreporting funds. 4. Opposition wins, recount stays the same, courts annul it because russia. Am I missing something here?
- jltsiren 2y ago
  You are missing two things. First, the elections will be rerun. If people think the annulment was unfair, the opposition candidate may get even more votes due to organic publicity. Second, you can't just buy ads. You must also find someone with wide enough circulation willing to show the ads. And that someone may be liable for the consequences.
  - theultdev 2y ago
    No those two things are clear to me. First, yes they will be re-ran, and it's doubtful the winning candidate will even get to run. Also, where does it end, do we keep re-running it until we get the right candidate? What if it was the candidate you voted for, how would you feel? Second, yes apparently you can, it happened. If the whole country was able to be swayed by TikTok ads but apparently no politicians noticed then they aren't very good at politicking or governing. If they noticed an issue they should have dealt with TikTok earlier. So far TikTok hasn't been held liable, only the voters who choose to vote for this candidate.
    - jltsiren 2y ago
      Right now, TikTok is under EU level investigation, which will take much longer than a few days. If found guilty, it can face a fine up to 6% of worldwide revenues.
      - theultdev 2y ago
        Yes, as I said, as of right now they have not been held liable, only the voters have been punished by having their votes revoked. The voters were apparently too stupid and got tricked by scary russian ads, so we must re-do the elections until they come to their senses and pick the correct candidate. It's TikTok's fault for letting Russian ads in, so we'll take some of their money and we'll also stay in power. Win-win for the establishment. It couldn't possibly be that the voters knew exactly what they were voting for... They're too gullible, that's it.
        jltsiren 2y ago
        The point is that in the future, TikTok / Google / whatever will have to be more careful with political ads, because they can be bad for business. Whatever your opinion on the candidates is, it's a fact that many people didn't consider the election results legitimate. In a situation like that, it's impossible to make them legitimate by any administrative action. Courts can make the results legal, but legitimacy is something people decide on their own. If legitimacy is considered important, the only way to regain it is to run new elections. It may take a long time and many attempts, and it may not work at all. But you can't have legitimate elections if the losers don't accept that the elections were fair and they lost.
        theultdev 2y ago
        > it's a fact that many people didn't consider the election results legitimate it's a fact that more people considered it legitimate, otherwise the candidate in question wouldn't have won the election. let me ask you this about your "fact" how "many people" didn't consider it legitimate? should be easy to answer since it's a fact.
dh2022 2y ago
That is the thing I do not get: the basis for disqualifiying the first round is there for the second round. Second round would be as valid (or invalid) as the first round. Which makes this looks like a soft coup. It should be noted that Romanian Constitutional Court has a long tradition for yielding to political influence. Read and weep [0] [0] page 93 onwards Corruption https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317&context=honors201019 https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317...
tsimionescu 2y ago
> The elections will be rerun with the same candidates, because the authorities were unable to do it properly the first time. No, the whole electoral process will be restarted, as if it had never happened, starting from potential candidates gathering signatures to validate their registration. Anyone who wishes to run has to start anew. And it's almost impossible to believe that the candidate whose campaign was found to be so illegally run that the entire process has been corrupted and has to be restarted could be allowed to run again. This would be pantomime of the highest level. And I'm saying this as someone who thinks this decision was a soft coup.

theultdev 2y ago

So next time Russia should buy ads for the candidate they want to lose. 1. Buy ads for opposition. 2. Opposition reports invalid figures not accounting for russian ads 3. People accuse opposition of being helped by russia and misreporting funds. 4. Opposition wins, recount stays the same, courts annul it because russia. Am I missing something here?

jltsiren 2y ago
You are missing two things. First, the elections will be rerun. If people think the annulment was unfair, the opposition candidate may get even more votes due to organic publicity. Second, you can't just buy ads. You must also find someone with wide enough circulation willing to show the ads. And that someone may be liable for the consequences.
- theultdev 2y ago
  No those two things are clear to me. First, yes they will be re-ran, and it's doubtful the winning candidate will even get to run. Also, where does it end, do we keep re-running it until we get the right candidate? What if it was the candidate you voted for, how would you feel? Second, yes apparently you can, it happened. If the whole country was able to be swayed by TikTok ads but apparently no politicians noticed then they aren't very good at politicking or governing. If they noticed an issue they should have dealt with TikTok earlier. So far TikTok hasn't been held liable, only the voters who choose to vote for this candidate.
  - jltsiren 2y ago
    Right now, TikTok is under EU level investigation, which will take much longer than a few days. If found guilty, it can face a fine up to 6% of worldwide revenues.
    - theultdev 2y ago
      Yes, as I said, as of right now they have not been held liable, only the voters have been punished by having their votes revoked. The voters were apparently too stupid and got tricked by scary russian ads, so we must re-do the elections until they come to their senses and pick the correct candidate. It's TikTok's fault for letting Russian ads in, so we'll take some of their money and we'll also stay in power. Win-win for the establishment. It couldn't possibly be that the voters knew exactly what they were voting for... They're too gullible, that's it.
      - jltsiren 2y ago
        The point is that in the future, TikTok / Google / whatever will have to be more careful with political ads, because they can be bad for business. Whatever your opinion on the candidates is, it's a fact that many people didn't consider the election results legitimate. In a situation like that, it's impossible to make them legitimate by any administrative action. Courts can make the results legal, but legitimacy is something people decide on their own. If legitimacy is considered important, the only way to regain it is to run new elections. It may take a long time and many attempts, and it may not work at all. But you can't have legitimate elections if the losers don't accept that the elections were fair and they lost.
        theultdev 2y ago
        > it's a fact that many people didn't consider the election results legitimate it's a fact that more people considered it legitimate, otherwise the candidate in question wouldn't have won the election. let me ask you this about your "fact" how "many people" didn't consider it legitimate? should be easy to answer since it's a fact.

dh2022 2y ago

That is the thing I do not get: the basis for disqualifiying the first round is there for the second round. Second round would be as valid (or invalid) as the first round. Which makes this looks like a soft coup. It should be noted that Romanian Constitutional Court has a long tradition for yielding to political influence. Read and weep [0] [0] page 93 onwards Corruption https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317&context=honors201019 https://commons.lib.jmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1317...

tsimionescu 2y ago

> The elections will be rerun with the same candidates, because the authorities were unable to do it properly the first time. No, the whole electoral process will be restarted, as if it had never happened, starting from potential candidates gathering signatures to validate their registration. Anyone who wishes to run has to start anew. And it's almost impossible to believe that the candidate whose campaign was found to be so illegally run that the entire process has been corrupted and has to be restarted could be allowed to run again. This would be pantomime of the highest level. And I'm saying this as someone who thinks this decision was a soft coup.