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Attempts to ban AfD (which is projected to take the second place), "firewalled" LePen's party which has won with 33% of votes and has zero political power, and

by fuoqi 2y ago

Attempts to ban AfD (which is projected to take the second place), "firewalled" LePen's party which has won with 33% of votes and has zero political power, and now this. And people wonder why trust in the "democratic" system gradually falls and anti-establishment sentiment is on the rise.

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cbg0 2y ago
I would contend that the anti-establishment movements are the reason why parties like AfD and LePen's sprouted in the first place.
rdm_blackhole 2y ago
That is not entirely true. Le Pen just brought down the french government yesterday. She has some power as a King maker in the current configuration. But she does not govern nor does she want to. However, the left wing coalition won the most seats in the national assembly but Macron refused to appoint a prime mister which was from this coalition as it is normally customary. In July, he called on the left wing coalition to safeguard democracy by instructing his party to drop out of the races in which they had no chance to win so that the left could win these races against the National Rally. Now he saying that the left wing coalition is extremist and that the National Rally is extremist just as well and that he won't have a government with either of them. Basically he just told half of the population to get stuffed. Then people wonder how democracy dies, that is how it dies. We can disagree with the right and with the left but if the will of the people is not respected, then the consequences will be dramatic.
dyauspitr 2y ago
I’m not saying those parties are fascists but they lean that way. Once fascists gain power, they undermine the entire democratic system and stay in power. So how does one deal with this situation? Do you just hand over a democracy over because a certain percentage of the population voted for them or do you play dirty back?
dtquad 2y ago
I dislike the anti-immigration far-right in Denmark but for the past 25 years they have been electorally and influentially more successful with one simple trick: Don't support the geopolitical adversaries of the West. Maybe the AfD and LePen should have listened instead of publicly fellating Putin.
- pessimizer 2y ago
  > Maybe the AfD and LePen should have listened instead of publicly fellating Putin. They're winning, though. Why would they do anything differently? The reason why people vote for them is because they hate you.
  - dtquad 2y ago
    >They're winning, though. Why would they do anything differently? They are not really winning. At best they are just sewing chaos. Their voters only vote for them for anti-immigration and anti-trans reasons which they have failed to politically materialize. In Denmark their ideological brethren made mainstream parties fold on immigration and on some trans issues by simply not being complete idiots on foreign policy.

by fuoqi 2y ago

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cbg0 2y ago

I would contend that the anti-establishment movements are the reason why parties like AfD and LePen's sprouted in the first place.

rdm_blackhole 2y ago

That is not entirely true. Le Pen just brought down the french government yesterday. She has some power as a King maker in the current configuration. But she does not govern nor does she want to. However, the left wing coalition won the most seats in the national assembly but Macron refused to appoint a prime mister which was from this coalition as it is normally customary. In July, he called on the left wing coalition to safeguard democracy by instructing his party to drop out of the races in which they had no chance to win so that the left could win these races against the National Rally. Now he saying that the left wing coalition is extremist and that the National Rally is extremist just as well and that he won't have a government with either of them. Basically he just told half of the population to get stuffed. Then people wonder how democracy dies, that is how it dies. We can disagree with the right and with the left but if the will of the people is not respected, then the consequences will be dramatic.

dyauspitr 2y ago

I’m not saying those parties are fascists but they lean that way. Once fascists gain power, they undermine the entire democratic system and stay in power. So how does one deal with this situation? Do you just hand over a democracy over because a certain percentage of the population voted for them or do you play dirty back?

dtquad 2y ago

I dislike the anti-immigration far-right in Denmark but for the past 25 years they have been electorally and influentially more successful with one simple trick: Don't support the geopolitical adversaries of the West. Maybe the AfD and LePen should have listened instead of publicly fellating Putin.

pessimizer 2y ago
> Maybe the AfD and LePen should have listened instead of publicly fellating Putin. They're winning, though. Why would they do anything differently? The reason why people vote for them is because they hate you.
- dtquad 2y ago
  >They're winning, though. Why would they do anything differently? They are not really winning. At best they are just sewing chaos. Their voters only vote for them for anti-immigration and anti-trans reasons which they have failed to politically materialize. In Denmark their ideological brethren made mainstream parties fold on immigration and on some trans issues by simply not being complete idiots on foreign policy.