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Annulling the results of an election on an accounting issue is not democracy. They could prosecute him for fraud if he committed it, that's not the same as revo

Annulling the results of an election on an accounting issue is not democracy. They could prosecute him for fraud if he committed it, that's not the same as revoking the vote of the population.

sebastianz 2y ago
If a foreign state actor gets someone illegally elected in a separate country with dirty money, this is not an "accounting issue".
- empiricus 2y ago
  So the next step for russia is to invest some tiktok money for the the person that would be elected anyways but they hate the most, and this way discredit that person?
  - sebastianz 2y ago
    Well hopefully they cannot do that in the future, since TikTok is also being investigated in the scandal. They are the ones who pocketed the money for the ads after all, and are required to comply with the electoral laws of the country, which they did not. (later edit: Actually probably they did not pocket the ad money, since I think the accusation is most of it was not legitimate ads, but puppet-account posts from some service. Of course, TikTok could still be be held responsible to better police these, but perhaps is not the direct destination of the money.)
- Wytwwww 2y ago
  He only got 23% of the votes and wasn't elected yet, though. Also what can they do besides disqualifying him or delaying the elections for months(years?) until he's convicted of fraud (hopefully by that point all of his voters would have forgotten all those ads)?
xuhu 2y ago
If my university proves I cheated on my entry exams, I fully expect them to throw me out, before or after the first day of school.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  What if they think you might have cheated, so they cancel the entire entrance exam for everyone because your potential, unproven, cheating would have given you an unfair advantage over the other students? Because this is what our court did.
  - troupo 2y ago
    If large scale fraud is suspected, results of exams will be annulled. If a person is found cheating (and no other interference), that person's exam results will be annulled. Why do you think this is not the case?
    - tsimionescu 2y ago
      In this case, one person suspected of cheating (only suspected, he is not convicted or even charged with anything at all!) has led to the annulment of the entire exam. Only one of the candidates was found to have cheated, during their campaign. The voting process was found to be perfectly secure and to accurately reflect the intention of the people who voted. And yet, the entire election, starting not just from the vote, but from the moment that all candidates registered and started their campaign, has been annulled and started from scratch. Any party who wishes to participate in the elections will have to start from step 0, from collecting 200k signatures of people who support their candidacy.
      - troupo 2y ago
        Key part: large-scale fraud.
        Saline9515 2y ago

Annulling the results of an election on an accounting issue is not democracy. They could prosecute him for fraud if he committed it, that's not the same as revoking the vote of the population.

sebastianz 2y ago

If a foreign state actor gets someone illegally elected in a separate country with dirty money, this is not an "accounting issue".

empiricus 2y ago
So the next step for russia is to invest some tiktok money for the the person that would be elected anyways but they hate the most, and this way discredit that person?
- sebastianz 2y ago
  Well hopefully they cannot do that in the future, since TikTok is also being investigated in the scandal. They are the ones who pocketed the money for the ads after all, and are required to comply with the electoral laws of the country, which they did not. (later edit: Actually probably they did not pocket the ad money, since I think the accusation is most of it was not legitimate ads, but puppet-account posts from some service. Of course, TikTok could still be be held responsible to better police these, but perhaps is not the direct destination of the money.)
Wytwwww 2y ago
He only got 23% of the votes and wasn't elected yet, though. Also what can they do besides disqualifying him or delaying the elections for months(years?) until he's convicted of fraud (hopefully by that point all of his voters would have forgotten all those ads)?

xuhu 2y ago

If my university proves I cheated on my entry exams, I fully expect them to throw me out, before or after the first day of school.

tsimionescu 2y ago
What if they think you might have cheated, so they cancel the entire entrance exam for everyone because your potential, unproven, cheating would have given you an unfair advantage over the other students? Because this is what our court did.
- troupo 2y ago
  If large scale fraud is suspected, results of exams will be annulled. If a person is found cheating (and no other interference), that person's exam results will be annulled. Why do you think this is not the case?
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    In this case, one person suspected of cheating (only suspected, he is not convicted or even charged with anything at all!) has led to the annulment of the entire exam. Only one of the candidates was found to have cheated, during their campaign. The voting process was found to be perfectly secure and to accurately reflect the intention of the people who voted. And yet, the entire election, starting not just from the vote, but from the moment that all candidates registered and started their campaign, has been annulled and started from scratch. Any party who wishes to participate in the elections will have to start from step 0, from collecting 200k signatures of people who support their candidacy.
    - troupo 2y ago
      Key part: large-scale fraud.
      - Saline9515 2y ago