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The shooter used a rare weapon with an integrated suppressor (or "Silencer" as the article indicates). A British made station six 9. I wonder if that will be t

The shooter used a rare weapon with an integrated suppressor (or "Silencer" as the article indicates). A British made station six 9. I wonder if that will be the focus of investigators, since its an highly unusual weapon.

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jvanderbot 2y ago
Last time I looked, that's not clear, actually. That he manually cycled the action could be indicative of a bolt-action pistol, OR it could be indicative of subsonic rounds or a heavy suppressor with a non-modified action. Basically adding weight to the weapon or reducing recoil makes it harder for the gas-operated action to automatically cycle, so you have to cycle manually. Are we sure of the weapon type? I've heard that there was live ammunition recovered at the scene, and that basically means the action was manually cycled to clear a jammed round. At this point it's hard to rule out a janky weapon with homemade suppressor, or a rare specialized weapon as you suggest.
dole 2y ago
News is saying he used a B&T Station Six, it doesn't look like he's twisting to operate a Welrod action in the video to me. It looks like he's racking a slide. He doesn't hesitate like he discovers it's jammed after the first shot, he already goes to rack it because the subsonic cartridges he's using won't cycle the action with the (edit:) suppressor on without a Neilsen device.
- someothherguyy 2y ago
  Here is a video of someone shooting a suppressed pistol with a suppressor with a booster and without a booster: https://www.youtube.com/embed/wOexPK63jx0?mute=1;autoplay=1 https://www.youtube.com/embed/wOexPK63jx0?mute=1;autoplay=1
- lazystar 2y ago
  the news is wrong, per the gun type. surprising?
someothherguyy 2y ago
That may make the video of the killing make more sense, given the action of the weapon. Here is a video of someone firing it (not the killing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKei5sySmB0&t=503s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKei5sySmB0&t=503s
sky_rw 2y ago
There is an absolute zero chance that he used a B&T Station 6. The media, as usual, is 100% wrong.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  It is hilarious how bad the media is about guns, but understandable when gun people for the most part are also bad about guns. It looks to me like a subcompact with no booster in the can. He is already dropping the gun to rack after the first shot, he knew it would need it, but it isn’t the welrod’s twist and pull. Good for B&T sales though.
  - ablation 2y ago
    You seem to know what you’re talking about. I have no clue or idea whatsoever about firearms. Why is he racking it each time? I’ve never seen that before in my extremely limited knowledge of guns.
    - BoxFour 2y ago
      Suppressors can interfere with the auto cycling mechanism, so you have to manually cycle it.
      - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
        They’re not supposed to. This is what a booster in a handgun silencer does.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      Here's my understanding. Semi-automatic pistols predominantly rely on recoil to cycle the action, in one way or another. If you are firing subsonic ammunition, to avoid the loud supersonic crack, then you typically get less recoil[1] compared to a firing supersonic ammunition due to the reduced speed of the bullet. In some firearms you can replace parts such a recoil springs to get the weapon to cycle reliably with subsonic ammunition, but if that is not done you will need to manually operate the action[2]. A few firearms even supports disabling the semi-automatic action, as the sound of the action cycling can actually be quite loud in comparison to a suppressed subsonic shot. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Classical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Classical [2]: This can be more error-prone, if the action partially cycles.
SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
> The shooter used a rare weapon with an integrated suppressor (or "Silencer" as the article indicates). A British made station six 9. Hilarious how bad this is. - No, it’s not the B&T. He racks it straight back, and releases to spring pressure. The Welrod/Six is twist and pull and push. It was a compact or subcompact, with either the wrong booster or no booster in a can - There is a puff of smoke per shot on the left side of the handgun. The Six is a locked breech gun, it doesn’t really smoke per shot at the chamber, and its chamber isn’t on the left side, it is on top. Again, this was a normal likely browning style action handgun, left side action, unlocks per shot even if it doesn’t cycle fully. - No, the B&T Six is not British made, it is a Swiss update of the WWII British Welrod - The original and the legal term is silencer. No quotes needed. Stop believing the media reports on anything gun related.
- someothherguyy 2y ago
  > It was a compact or subcompact, with either the wrong booster or no booster in a can Isn't this speculating as well?
  - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
    It’s all speculation until we see the gun. The point is to speculate with things that fit vs made up nonsense that is clearly untrue. It looks like a full-size can and a subcompact to me. And I would know, because I own all those things and have used them in that configuration. The problem I have is that anyone would PLAN on going in to a murder with no booster. Yes, it will likely work almost every time. But sometimes it won’t, and it will stovepipe, and the only way to fix it is to drop the mag out, clear, mag back in and rack. I’m an expert, and I wouldn’t want to rely on that path.
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redprince 2y ago
That is kind of doubtful. The video clearly shows a small puff of smoke presumably above the ejection port when he fires the gun for the first time. The Welrod and its modern descendants have a bolt which is locked in position when the gun is fired and it has to be cycled manually. Thus no gas would escape the gun at the ejection port when the gun is fired. It is more likely that this is a semi-automatic pistol which will not cycle properly for one reason or another and the shooter has to manually complete the cycle by racking the slide.

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jvanderbot 2y ago

Last time I looked, that's not clear, actually. That he manually cycled the action could be indicative of a bolt-action pistol, OR it could be indicative of subsonic rounds or a heavy suppressor with a non-modified action. Basically adding weight to the weapon or reducing recoil makes it harder for the gas-operated action to automatically cycle, so you have to cycle manually. Are we sure of the weapon type? I've heard that there was live ammunition recovered at the scene, and that basically means the action was manually cycled to clear a jammed round. At this point it's hard to rule out a janky weapon with homemade suppressor, or a rare specialized weapon as you suggest.

dole 2y ago

News is saying he used a B&T Station Six, it doesn't look like he's twisting to operate a Welrod action in the video to me. It looks like he's racking a slide. He doesn't hesitate like he discovers it's jammed after the first shot, he already goes to rack it because the subsonic cartridges he's using won't cycle the action with the (edit:) suppressor on without a Neilsen device.

someothherguyy 2y ago
Here is a video of someone shooting a suppressed pistol with a suppressor with a booster and without a booster: https://www.youtube.com/embed/wOexPK63jx0?mute=1;autoplay=1 https://www.youtube.com/embed/wOexPK63jx0?mute=1;autoplay=1
lazystar 2y ago
the news is wrong, per the gun type. surprising?

someothherguyy 2y ago

That may make the video of the killing make more sense, given the action of the weapon. Here is a video of someone firing it (not the killing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKei5sySmB0&t=503s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKei5sySmB0&t=503s

sky_rw 2y ago

There is an absolute zero chance that he used a B&T Station 6. The media, as usual, is 100% wrong.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
It is hilarious how bad the media is about guns, but understandable when gun people for the most part are also bad about guns. It looks to me like a subcompact with no booster in the can. He is already dropping the gun to rack after the first shot, he knew it would need it, but it isn’t the welrod’s twist and pull. Good for B&T sales though.
- ablation 2y ago
  You seem to know what you’re talking about. I have no clue or idea whatsoever about firearms. Why is he racking it each time? I’ve never seen that before in my extremely limited knowledge of guns.
  - BoxFour 2y ago
    Suppressors can interfere with the auto cycling mechanism, so you have to manually cycle it.
    - SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
      They’re not supposed to. This is what a booster in a handgun silencer does.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    Here's my understanding. Semi-automatic pistols predominantly rely on recoil to cycle the action, in one way or another. If you are firing subsonic ammunition, to avoid the loud supersonic crack, then you typically get less recoil[1] compared to a firing supersonic ammunition due to the reduced speed of the bullet. In some firearms you can replace parts such a recoil springs to get the weapon to cycle reliably with subsonic ammunition, but if that is not done you will need to manually operate the action[2]. A few firearms even supports disabling the semi-automatic action, as the sound of the action cycling can actually be quite loud in comparison to a suppressed subsonic shot. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Classical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Classical [2]: This can be more error-prone, if the action partially cycles.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago

> The shooter used a rare weapon with an integrated suppressor (or "Silencer" as the article indicates). A British made station six 9. Hilarious how bad this is. - No, it’s not the B&T. He racks it straight back, and releases to spring pressure. The Welrod/Six is twist and pull and push. It was a compact or subcompact, with either the wrong booster or no booster in a can - There is a puff of smoke per shot on the left side of the handgun. The Six is a locked breech gun, it doesn’t really smoke per shot at the chamber, and its chamber isn’t on the left side, it is on top. Again, this was a normal likely browning style action handgun, left side action, unlocks per shot even if it doesn’t cycle fully. - No, the B&T Six is not British made, it is a Swiss update of the WWII British Welrod - The original and the legal term is silencer. No quotes needed. Stop believing the media reports on anything gun related.

someothherguyy 2y ago
> It was a compact or subcompact, with either the wrong booster or no booster in a can Isn't this speculating as well?
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  It’s all speculation until we see the gun. The point is to speculate with things that fit vs made up nonsense that is clearly untrue. It looks like a full-size can and a subcompact to me. And I would know, because I own all those things and have used them in that configuration. The problem I have is that anyone would PLAN on going in to a murder with no booster. Yes, it will likely work almost every time. But sometimes it won’t, and it will stovepipe, and the only way to fix it is to drop the mag out, clear, mag back in and rack. I’m an expert, and I wouldn’t want to rely on that path.

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redprince 2y ago

That is kind of doubtful. The video clearly shows a small puff of smoke presumably above the ejection port when he fires the gun for the first time. The Welrod and its modern descendants have a bolt which is locked in position when the gun is fired and it has to be cycled manually. Thus no gas would escape the gun at the ejection port when the gun is fired. It is more likely that this is a semi-automatic pistol which will not cycle properly for one reason or another and the shooter has to manually complete the cycle by racking the slide.