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So what is the problem here, that a state actor tried to influence the elections? Then why aren't we talking about the influence of NATO&co as well? Because tha

So what is the problem here, that a state actor tried to influence the elections? Then why aren't we talking about the influence of NATO&co as well? Because that can be found everywhere, starting from google search results. Search "elena lasconi campaign donors" on google, you'll get exclusively results about "far right kremlin backed election interference". Repeat the search on yandex.ru and you'll get actual results about Elena Lasconi. The problem isn't really a state actor here; it's that people didn't vote the right way™. As to the effect a last minute campaign on TikTok can have on the elections, I wonder can you really sway 9 milions of votes in a few days on a platform that basically nobody over 30 years old uses? That must have been some incredibly good propaganda!

throw_pm23 2y ago
It was only ~2 million votes, as it was a first round with 10+ candidates. I disagree it was about voting the right way, it was about campaign law violation.
cbg0 2y ago
> Then why aren't we talking about the influence of NATO&co as well? Because that can be found everywhere, starting from google search results. Search "elena lasconi campaign donors" on google, you'll get exclusively results about "far right kremlin backed election interference". Repeat the search on yandex.ru and you'll get actual results about Elena Lasconi. NATO is a defensive military alliance. Has there been any proof that they're manipulating search results or social media sites? Also, regarding your Google search: the reason why you're getting poor results is because you're searching in English for a subject predominantly connected to romanian language sites.
- ossobuco 2y ago
  > NATO is a defensive military alliance. Has there been any proof that they're manipulating search results or social media sites? Plenty, if you accept the possibility[0]. The US army is openly recruiting for PSYOPs[1] - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 - https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/special-ops/psychological-operations https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/sp... > the reason why you're getting poor results is because you're searching in English for a subject predominantly connected to romanian language sites. Easily disproven by repeating the search in Romanian. Again, on google I get mostly results about Kremlin foreign election interference, while on yandex I only get relevant results. I tried several combinations of keywords.
  - data_maan 2y ago
    Does getting other results on Yandex make you trust them more? Is "different" for you "more true"?
    - I-M-S 2y ago
      Depends if it's different from a lie I guess
exe34 2y ago
how about filing your expenses according to the law?
data_maan 2y ago
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- ossobuco 2y ago
  Yeah that works great if you don't care about the truth. I do care, and I live within NATO borders, where NATO propaganda is incredibly pervasive and much stronger than any other propaganda from outside can be.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    NATO propaganda is incredibly pervasive and much stronger than any other propaganda from outside can be. Only because you don't see the latter (as propaganda). But rather as a sequence of neat-sounding, worldview-confirming factoids.

throw_pm23 2y ago

It was only ~2 million votes, as it was a first round with 10+ candidates. I disagree it was about voting the right way, it was about campaign law violation.

cbg0 2y ago

> Then why aren't we talking about the influence of NATO&co as well? Because that can be found everywhere, starting from google search results. Search "elena lasconi campaign donors" on google, you'll get exclusively results about "far right kremlin backed election interference". Repeat the search on yandex.ru and you'll get actual results about Elena Lasconi. NATO is a defensive military alliance. Has there been any proof that they're manipulating search results or social media sites? Also, regarding your Google search: the reason why you're getting poor results is because you're searching in English for a subject predominantly connected to romanian language sites.

ossobuco 2y ago
> NATO is a defensive military alliance. Has there been any proof that they're manipulating search results or social media sites? Plenty, if you accept the possibility[0]. The US army is openly recruiting for PSYOPs[1] - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 - https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/special-ops/psychological-operations https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/sp... > the reason why you're getting poor results is because you're searching in English for a subject predominantly connected to romanian language sites. Easily disproven by repeating the search in Romanian. Again, on google I get mostly results about Kremlin foreign election interference, while on yandex I only get relevant results. I tried several combinations of keywords.
- data_maan 2y ago
  Does getting other results on Yandex make you trust them more? Is "different" for you "more true"?
  - I-M-S 2y ago
    Depends if it's different from a lie I guess

exe34 2y ago

how about filing your expenses according to the law?

data_maan 2y ago

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ossobuco 2y ago
Yeah that works great if you don't care about the truth. I do care, and I live within NATO borders, where NATO propaganda is incredibly pervasive and much stronger than any other propaganda from outside can be.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  NATO propaganda is incredibly pervasive and much stronger than any other propaganda from outside can be. Only because you don't see the latter (as propaganda). But rather as a sequence of neat-sounding, worldview-confirming factoids.