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Not sure I understand? Obviously there's no way to avoid everything? It's the exact same with every VPN, every provider. They can promise no logs yet turn on l

by KomoD 2y ago

Not sure I understand? Obviously there's no way to avoid everything? It's the exact same with every VPN, every provider. They can promise no logs yet turn on logging if authorities request it. At least you can reduce the amount of information you give.

jqpabc123 2y ago
Obviously there's no way to avoid everything? Obviously, there is no way to avoid anything with this. It just adds one simple, easily traceable layer of indirection without any assurance of anonymity. It's not much different than using a free public proxy server in Mozambique. https://www.proxynova.com/proxy-server-list/ https://www.proxynova.com/proxy-server-list/ They can promise no logs yet turn on logging if authorities request it. Which most contractually agree not to do without a valid court order. In which case, authorities have to at least put forth the time, effort and money to submit a legally valid court order --- which can be substantial based on the jurisdiction.
- KomoD 2y ago
  > Which most contractually agree not to do without a valid court order. In which case, authorities have to at least put forth the time, effort and money to submit a legally valid court order --- which can be substantial based on the jurisdiction. The same contracts where they also say they are able to change it at any time without any notice and a lot of them say they may request a court order, not that it's a must. Also same in the case of a VPS provider? They can also say no logging unless court ordered. > If the provider logs your IP when you connect, they have enough personal information to identify you. Also they can't identify you based on it, it alone doesn't give them enough to identify you, they aren't able to access any subscriber info from your ISP, mobile carrier, etc.
  - jqpabc123 2y ago
    they aren't able to access any subscriber info from your ISP, mobile carrier, etc. https://www.reuters.com/article/legal/law-enforcement-can-get-ip-address-subscriber-info-without-warrant-ariz-high-idUSL1N2JN3AL/ https://www.reuters.com/article/legal/law-enforcement-can-ge...

by KomoD 2y ago

jqpabc123 2y ago

Obviously there's no way to avoid everything? Obviously, there is no way to avoid anything with this. It just adds one simple, easily traceable layer of indirection without any assurance of anonymity. It's not much different than using a free public proxy server in Mozambique. https://www.proxynova.com/proxy-server-list/ https://www.proxynova.com/proxy-server-list/ They can promise no logs yet turn on logging if authorities request it. Which most contractually agree not to do without a valid court order. In which case, authorities have to at least put forth the time, effort and money to submit a legally valid court order --- which can be substantial based on the jurisdiction.

KomoD 2y ago
> Which most contractually agree not to do without a valid court order. In which case, authorities have to at least put forth the time, effort and money to submit a legally valid court order --- which can be substantial based on the jurisdiction. The same contracts where they also say they are able to change it at any time without any notice and a lot of them say they may request a court order, not that it's a must. Also same in the case of a VPS provider? They can also say no logging unless court ordered. > If the provider logs your IP when you connect, they have enough personal information to identify you. Also they can't identify you based on it, it alone doesn't give them enough to identify you, they aren't able to access any subscriber info from your ISP, mobile carrier, etc.
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  they aren't able to access any subscriber info from your ISP, mobile carrier, etc. https://www.reuters.com/article/legal/law-enforcement-can-get-ip-address-subscriber-info-without-warrant-ariz-high-idUSL1N2JN3AL/ https://www.reuters.com/article/legal/law-enforcement-can-ge...