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Tiktok ban is a farce because FAANG companies don't like that a Chinese company is doing what they do better and taking their market share. If they actually car

Tiktok ban is a farce because FAANG companies don't like that a Chinese company is doing what they do better and taking their market share. If they actually cared about the privacy and misinformation risk they would pass privacy laws that affect all social media companies.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago
This was not about privacy. This is about CCP using disinformation to sway populations in a democratic country.
- gpm 2y ago
  The ruling actually spends quite a bit of time talking about the privacy justification as well.
  - sanderjd 2y ago
    Yeah, but it's still a distraction from the real issue.
    - BadHumans 2y ago
      The excuse of misinformation is also fud. Facebook help Trump get elected in 2016 through the whole Cambridge Analytica fiasco. Facebook paid a paltry fine and the executives from Cambridge Analytica formed another company named Emerdata. There would be no need to take action specifically against Tiktok if legislation was the stick given to all companies but lobbyist don't want to crack down domestically.
      - sanderjd 2y ago
        It's not about misinformation either. It's about control over the algorithm that chooses what people see.
      - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
        > Facebook help Trump get elected in 2016 through the whole Cambridge Analytica fiasco This comment is FUD though. Did FB do it intentionally?
- Spivak 2y ago
  Yeah! We like our organized disinformation campaigns to be made in the USA instead. It's frankly an embarrassing look for the US if we go through with this on these grounds because we're basically saying we can't weather targeted disinformation and propaganda while simultaneously deploying them in our own house. You can't make people in the US believe anything. We had the full force of US government pulling every lever they had access to get people to get vaccinated and wear a mask and it still didn't work. Even when (arguably) they had the truth on their side. There's no way we're admitting China outclassed us.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    Disinformation is bad from any source, but it is much worse if it comes from a foreign adversary govt. Also, the US acts against misinformation from with US too. https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-5003970/supreme-court-social-media-case https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-5003970/supreme-court-s... Honestly, I never understood arguments like this. What next? 1. Why should only the US govt tax Americans, we should also let CCP tax Americans. 2. Why should only the US govt police Americans, we should also let CCP police Americans. > You can't make people in the US believe anything. We had the full force of US government pulling every lever they had access to get people to get vaccinated and wear a mask and it still didn't work. Even when (arguably) they had the truth on their side. There's no way we're admitting China outclassed us. You are conflating many things. CCP doesn't have to sway the average American. It only has to sway fringe groups at critical moments/places. That is much more easy.
    - BadHumans 2y ago
      When you make strawmen like "Lets let the CCP tax Americans" I can't take you seriously.
      - immibis 2y ago
        To accept the strawman rebuttal I have to be able to figure out what differentiates your actual position from the strawman, which I can't. You implicitly claim that the Chinese government should be able to do to US citizens everything that the US government can do to US citizens. To which two counter-examples were provided.
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coin 2y ago
> they would pass privacy laws that affect all social media companies. And China would just ignore it. It's already illegal to steal IP and yet China does it all the time.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  The companies stealing US IP don't operate in the US. ByteDance has US operations and is subject to US law.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago

This was not about privacy. This is about CCP using disinformation to sway populations in a democratic country.

gpm 2y ago
The ruling actually spends quite a bit of time talking about the privacy justification as well.
- sanderjd 2y ago
  Yeah, but it's still a distraction from the real issue.
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    The excuse of misinformation is also fud. Facebook help Trump get elected in 2016 through the whole Cambridge Analytica fiasco. Facebook paid a paltry fine and the executives from Cambridge Analytica formed another company named Emerdata. There would be no need to take action specifically against Tiktok if legislation was the stick given to all companies but lobbyist don't want to crack down domestically.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      It's not about misinformation either. It's about control over the algorithm that chooses what people see.
    - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
      > Facebook help Trump get elected in 2016 through the whole Cambridge Analytica fiasco This comment is FUD though. Did FB do it intentionally?
Spivak 2y ago
Yeah! We like our organized disinformation campaigns to be made in the USA instead. It's frankly an embarrassing look for the US if we go through with this on these grounds because we're basically saying we can't weather targeted disinformation and propaganda while simultaneously deploying them in our own house. You can't make people in the US believe anything. We had the full force of US government pulling every lever they had access to get people to get vaccinated and wear a mask and it still didn't work. Even when (arguably) they had the truth on their side. There's no way we're admitting China outclassed us.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  Disinformation is bad from any source, but it is much worse if it comes from a foreign adversary govt. Also, the US acts against misinformation from with US too. https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-5003970/supreme-court-social-media-case https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-5003970/supreme-court-s... Honestly, I never understood arguments like this. What next? 1. Why should only the US govt tax Americans, we should also let CCP tax Americans. 2. Why should only the US govt police Americans, we should also let CCP police Americans. > You can't make people in the US believe anything. We had the full force of US government pulling every lever they had access to get people to get vaccinated and wear a mask and it still didn't work. Even when (arguably) they had the truth on their side. There's no way we're admitting China outclassed us. You are conflating many things. CCP doesn't have to sway the average American. It only has to sway fringe groups at critical moments/places. That is much more easy.
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    When you make strawmen like "Lets let the CCP tax Americans" I can't take you seriously.
    - immibis 2y ago
      To accept the strawman rebuttal I have to be able to figure out what differentiates your actual position from the strawman, which I can't. You implicitly claim that the Chinese government should be able to do to US citizens everything that the US government can do to US citizens. To which two counter-examples were provided.
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coin 2y ago

> they would pass privacy laws that affect all social media companies. And China would just ignore it. It's already illegal to steal IP and yet China does it all the time.

BadHumans 2y ago
The companies stealing US IP don't operate in the US. ByteDance has US operations and is subject to US law.