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He took aid from Russia which is against Romanian law.

mariusor 2y ago
There's quite a large difference between us all knowing something and it being proven to a degree to make a national level decision on it.
- throw_pm23 2y ago
  They had to make a quick call, in my book they acted boldly, the risks of the alternative were greater. Everyone has time to cool down and think about it, and the candidate can win if he is good. In the last few days all new information has pointed in the opposite direction.
  - mariusor 2y ago
    > quick call They sat on this info for almost three weeks. Doing it now discards so much money and effort invested by people working the election stations, the people in other countries that already voted, etc. Not to mention that it communicates to the everyone that their vote doesn't count if it's not for the right candidate. A vote made under wrong assumptions is still a vote cast democratically. In my opinion this late decision makes a mocking of a real democratic process. It's also very likely to have the side-effect of destroying Mrs. Lasconi's chances at the presidency. Who do you think that the Georgescu voters will vote for now? Not her for sure. I bet there will be a Simion vs. Ciolacu battle next time, and there we'll go again with choosing the "lesser of the two evils".
    - throw_pm23 2y ago
      On the second point I completely agree with you. She appears to be collateral damage at this point. Perhaps that will raise sympathy and she can get into the second round again.
- kranke155 2y ago
  Theres been a lot of kurfuffle about it and apparently even the other politicians think this court decision was too much. Im not sure why and how this works, just saying that having Russia create 10 million fake accounts (that we know of) in a country of 19 million is clearly foreign interference.
4bpp 2y ago
Funny enough, the EU is currently calling the election results in Georgia illegitimate because they passed a similar sort of law (https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-georgias-foreign-agent-law-means-its-democracy https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-georgias-foreign-agent-law...). This is not doing a good job of dispelling the accusation that the media now uses "democracy" as code for outcomes that are desirable for US globalists and their allies.
- oneshtein 2y ago
  Russians did the same in Georgia. :-/
  - kranke155 2y ago
    From what I heard, just from (statistical?) analysis from the OSINT folks on Twitter, the conclusion was that the Georgian election was stolen. This is a whole different animal.
- goneri 2y ago
  The Russian foreign agent law is used to attack the public personalities and NGOs, and have nothing in common with the Romanian Electoral Laws. Georgians are absolutely right to be scared. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law
  - properpopper 2y ago
    US has its Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), multiple countries have this kind of law, I have no issues with it. Why Georgians should be scared?
braincat31415 2y ago
Have you seen the proof, or are you repeating what was written by someone else? There is a big difference. I bet this is the usual "credible information from anonymous government sources".
- kranke155 2y ago
  Im repeating the information that was shared. I dont have the expertise to discern whether that's really what happened. Those are the accusations.
randunel 2y ago
No proof he did that, but here's proof he didn't: https://the5star.github.io/cgarad/messages.html https://the5star.github.io/cgarad/messages.html
Dah00n 2y ago
>He took aid from Russia which is against Romanian law. Funny that you know this, but the actual court decision that should show proof of this has yet to be released. Either you are spewing hearsay, are in the intelligence community and are sharing secret information or... you are lying. Please, do link the so-far unreleased information that the court based its decision on. I'll wait.
- kranke155 2y ago
  Im not lying unless the court is lying. Im just saying what the court has said so far. You should really calm down with your finger pointing and conspiracy theories.

There's quite a large difference between us all knowing something and it being proven to a degree to make a national level decision on it.

throw_pm23 2y ago
They had to make a quick call, in my book they acted boldly, the risks of the alternative were greater. Everyone has time to cool down and think about it, and the candidate can win if he is good. In the last few days all new information has pointed in the opposite direction.
- mariusor 2y ago
  > quick call They sat on this info for almost three weeks. Doing it now discards so much money and effort invested by people working the election stations, the people in other countries that already voted, etc. Not to mention that it communicates to the everyone that their vote doesn't count if it's not for the right candidate. A vote made under wrong assumptions is still a vote cast democratically. In my opinion this late decision makes a mocking of a real democratic process. It's also very likely to have the side-effect of destroying Mrs. Lasconi's chances at the presidency. Who do you think that the Georgescu voters will vote for now? Not her for sure. I bet there will be a Simion vs. Ciolacu battle next time, and there we'll go again with choosing the "lesser of the two evils".
  - throw_pm23 2y ago
    On the second point I completely agree with you. She appears to be collateral damage at this point. Perhaps that will raise sympathy and she can get into the second round again.
kranke155 2y ago
Theres been a lot of kurfuffle about it and apparently even the other politicians think this court decision was too much. Im not sure why and how this works, just saying that having Russia create 10 million fake accounts (that we know of) in a country of 19 million is clearly foreign interference.

4bpp 2y ago

Funny enough, the EU is currently calling the election results in Georgia illegitimate because they passed a similar sort of law (https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-georgias-foreign-agent-law-means-its-democracy https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-georgias-foreign-agent-law...). This is not doing a good job of dispelling the accusation that the media now uses "democracy" as code for outcomes that are desirable for US globalists and their allies.

oneshtein 2y ago
Russians did the same in Georgia. :-/
- kranke155 2y ago
  From what I heard, just from (statistical?) analysis from the OSINT folks on Twitter, the conclusion was that the Georgian election was stolen. This is a whole different animal.
goneri 2y ago
The Russian foreign agent law is used to attack the public personalities and NGOs, and have nothing in common with the Romanian Electoral Laws. Georgians are absolutely right to be scared. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law
- properpopper 2y ago
  US has its Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), multiple countries have this kind of law, I have no issues with it. Why Georgians should be scared?

braincat31415 2y ago

Have you seen the proof, or are you repeating what was written by someone else? There is a big difference. I bet this is the usual "credible information from anonymous government sources".

kranke155 2y ago
Im repeating the information that was shared. I dont have the expertise to discern whether that's really what happened. Those are the accusations.

randunel 2y ago

No proof he did that, but here's proof he didn't: https://the5star.github.io/cgarad/messages.html https://the5star.github.io/cgarad/messages.html

Dah00n 2y ago

>He took aid from Russia which is against Romanian law. Funny that you know this, but the actual court decision that should show proof of this has yet to be released. Either you are spewing hearsay, are in the intelligence community and are sharing secret information or... you are lying. Please, do link the so-far unreleased information that the court based its decision on. I'll wait.

kranke155 2y ago
Im not lying unless the court is lying. Im just saying what the court has said so far. You should really calm down with your finger pointing and conspiracy theories.