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In summary: China is a threat to the West (also to Africa, but they are still in denial). But you can't get rid of hacking through a bit of legislature, so fixi

by tgv 2y ago

In summary: China is a threat to the West (also to Africa, but they are still in denial). But you can't get rid of hacking through a bit of legislature, so fixing telcos is another process.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> you can't get rid of hacking through a bit of legislature We can make it harder. Switch our telecoms to E2E by default. We’ve shown the current set-up can be exploited by adversaries. It’s not a huge leap given the prevalence of encrypted messaging apps. And you can market it as a finger to the deep state on one side and a limit on the executive to the other.
- daniel_reetz 2y ago
  E2E doesn't fix the government mandated backdoors, which were implicated in this attack. Check out the last line of this article: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/politics/us-telecom-providers-chinese-hack/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/politics/us-telecom-providers...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > E2E doesn't fix the government mandated backdoors, which were implicated in this attack Of course it does. It removes them. This problem can be solved with a bit of legislation.
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  - rangestransform 2y ago
    We should just make the three letter agencies go dark then, and hopefully jobless too
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > just make the three letter agencies go dark then, and hopefully jobless too Good. Red teaming. This is exactly what I’d say, too, if I wanted to tank a federal E2E bill. It splits the national security bloc by unnecessarily vilifying the IC, the one group that doesn’t traditionally bother with the lawful part of lawful intercept.
churchill 2y ago
I keep hearing people crow about how Africa is going to get re-colonized by China, but I just don't see it. For instance, in the last 50 years, America and her allies have: -Overthrown Gaddafi and destabilized Libya in the process, leading to million of small arms washing into the Sahel. Jihadists groups have killed hundreds of thousands with those weapons, further destabilizing the region. -Funded and backed murderous dictators like Hissene Habre who tortured, killed, and raped roughly 40k innocent Chadians. -Other dictators that have held unto power with implicit/explicit American support include Mobutu, Amin, Barre, etc., and I'm not going to go into the atrocities they've committed. -Continue to meddle in African countries, including their implicit support for the overthrow of popularly-elected governments like Egypt's Muhammad Morsi, and Congo's Lumumba, after which the country fell apart . These are just a few examples off the top of my head. No matter how much you scaremonger about China, all they do is transfer technology, build infrastructure, and assist with explicit approval of local governments. Do they have evil intent in the long-run? Who knows? But, given their track record so far (of going heads down and building stuff) and the West's history of plain maliciousness, it'd be stupid to suggest anyone shouldn't partner with China.
- whatshisface 2y ago
  China's not "going down and building," they are bribing officials to take on massive loans that must be spent on Chinese contracts. The West does this with the IMF (minus the bribery?).
  - churchill 2y ago
    Maybe let the people who live in these countries decide that? Whatever your opinion, Chinese companies leave these forsaken countries with lots of infrastructure. In many cases, if they can't pay, it's forgiven. So, what's your problem?
    - whatshisface 2y ago
      People who live in a lot of African countries don't play much of a role in deciding what their governments do. That's the issue I take with anything involving bribery.

by tgv 2y ago

In summary: China is a threat to the West (also to Africa, but they are still in denial). But you can't get rid of hacking through a bit of legislature, so fixing telcos is another process.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> you can't get rid of hacking through a bit of legislature We can make it harder. Switch our telecoms to E2E by default. We’ve shown the current set-up can be exploited by adversaries. It’s not a huge leap given the prevalence of encrypted messaging apps. And you can market it as a finger to the deep state on one side and a limit on the executive to the other.

daniel_reetz 2y ago
E2E doesn't fix the government mandated backdoors, which were implicated in this attack. Check out the last line of this article: https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/politics/us-telecom-providers-chinese-hack/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/04/politics/us-telecom-providers...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > E2E doesn't fix the government mandated backdoors, which were implicated in this attack Of course it does. It removes them. This problem can be solved with a bit of legislation.
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- rangestransform 2y ago
  We should just make the three letter agencies go dark then, and hopefully jobless too
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > just make the three letter agencies go dark then, and hopefully jobless too Good. Red teaming. This is exactly what I’d say, too, if I wanted to tank a federal E2E bill. It splits the national security bloc by unnecessarily vilifying the IC, the one group that doesn’t traditionally bother with the lawful part of lawful intercept.

churchill 2y ago

I keep hearing people crow about how Africa is going to get re-colonized by China, but I just don't see it. For instance, in the last 50 years, America and her allies have: -Overthrown Gaddafi and destabilized Libya in the process, leading to million of small arms washing into the Sahel. Jihadists groups have killed hundreds of thousands with those weapons, further destabilizing the region. -Funded and backed murderous dictators like Hissene Habre who tortured, killed, and raped roughly 40k innocent Chadians. -Other dictators that have held unto power with implicit/explicit American support include Mobutu, Amin, Barre, etc., and I'm not going to go into the atrocities they've committed. -Continue to meddle in African countries, including their implicit support for the overthrow of popularly-elected governments like Egypt's Muhammad Morsi, and Congo's Lumumba, after which the country fell apart . These are just a few examples off the top of my head. No matter how much you scaremonger about China, all they do is transfer technology, build infrastructure, and assist with explicit approval of local governments. Do they have evil intent in the long-run? Who knows? But, given their track record so far (of going heads down and building stuff) and the West's history of plain maliciousness, it'd be stupid to suggest anyone shouldn't partner with China.

whatshisface 2y ago
China's not "going down and building," they are bribing officials to take on massive loans that must be spent on Chinese contracts. The West does this with the IMF (minus the bribery?).
- churchill 2y ago
  Maybe let the people who live in these countries decide that? Whatever your opinion, Chinese companies leave these forsaken countries with lots of infrastructure. In many cases, if they can't pay, it's forgiven. So, what's your problem?
  - whatshisface 2y ago
    People who live in a lot of African countries don't play much of a role in deciding what their governments do. That's the issue I take with anything involving bribery.