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1. Apps stores remove them. 2. Any transactions paying the creators are banned. Any Tiktok shopping stuff banned. 3. ISPs?

by Leary 2y ago

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
App Stores maybe. But US doesn't have a national Fire Wall like China. So on one hand we don't have the ability to block content/internet like China, but we seem to want to be more like China and be able to?
wruza 2y ago
Creators start begging for patreon support, tiktok operates at its own expense as a webapp, users set up vpn in case it gets banned at isp. Domestic alternatives continue to suck and fail to attract users. Nothing new under the sun.
- codedokode 2y ago
  > users set up vpn You'll lose most audience to a competitor that doesn't require VPN at this step.
  - wruza 2y ago
    Not with tiktok, and “we have tiktok at home” doesn’t work on teens. I have a <10yo niece, guess what I find on my grandmas tablet every time she visits? Right, a new vpn app. We are in Russia, and no one watches rutube. Even my grandma said it’s useless crap with no content and turns her personal ovpn profile on and off to visit differently banned services. Everyone is still on youtube, both viewers and creators. It’s only hard for a week, then you get used to it and it gets normalized in the society. You US just have to live through your first real-sized ban, then that rule stops working. Bans are snakeoil, except for North Korean style. You actually do have a chance iff someone manages to catch the essence of tiktok and implement it at home without screwing everything up, so better do not.
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      VPN use is only about 1/3rd globally and only about 1/4th in the Americas. Sure, TikTok could mount a massive campaign to get people off of its (in the future) banned in the app stores app and onto the web and then get them to install VPNs, but in the end they'd easily lose 80-90% of their users. Is TikTok with 10-20% of its users in the US still a problem? Maybe, but not nearly the problem TikTok is with 100% of its users.
      - preciousoo 2y ago
        Network effects of TT are stronger than anything that's ever come before it. Come to think of it, there any publicly tradable VPN companies?
    - trinix912 2y ago
      Another point to consider here is that VPNs usually have a pretty low monthly data limit and kids won't bother paying for a VPN to access something they can also access through Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts. A third thing to consider is the network effect. If (hypothetically) in Russia, every other teen uses VPN to post on an otherwise unavailable platform, there's enough content made by Russians there to get fellow Russians interested. OTOH, if in the US, the majority of the kids stop going there, there will be less relatable content that kids would be interested in. Those that exited the platform would publish their stuff elsewhere, and that's where everyone would eventually end up going.

1. Apps stores remove them. 2. Any transactions paying the creators are banned. Any Tiktok shopping stuff banned. 3. ISPs?

by Leary 2y ago

1. Apps stores remove them. 2. Any transactions paying the creators are banned. Any Tiktok shopping stuff banned. 3. ISPs?

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

App Stores maybe. But US doesn't have a national Fire Wall like China. So on one hand we don't have the ability to block content/internet like China, but we seem to want to be more like China and be able to?

wruza 2y ago

Creators start begging for patreon support, tiktok operates at its own expense as a webapp, users set up vpn in case it gets banned at isp. Domestic alternatives continue to suck and fail to attract users. Nothing new under the sun.

codedokode 2y ago
> users set up vpn You'll lose most audience to a competitor that doesn't require VPN at this step.
- wruza 2y ago
  Not with tiktok, and “we have tiktok at home” doesn’t work on teens. I have a <10yo niece, guess what I find on my grandmas tablet every time she visits? Right, a new vpn app. We are in Russia, and no one watches rutube. Even my grandma said it’s useless crap with no content and turns her personal ovpn profile on and off to visit differently banned services. Everyone is still on youtube, both viewers and creators. It’s only hard for a week, then you get used to it and it gets normalized in the society. You US just have to live through your first real-sized ban, then that rule stops working. Bans are snakeoil, except for North Korean style. You actually do have a chance iff someone manages to catch the essence of tiktok and implement it at home without screwing everything up, so better do not.
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    VPN use is only about 1/3rd globally and only about 1/4th in the Americas. Sure, TikTok could mount a massive campaign to get people off of its (in the future) banned in the app stores app and onto the web and then get them to install VPNs, but in the end they'd easily lose 80-90% of their users. Is TikTok with 10-20% of its users in the US still a problem? Maybe, but not nearly the problem TikTok is with 100% of its users.
    - preciousoo 2y ago
      Network effects of TT are stronger than anything that's ever come before it. Come to think of it, there any publicly tradable VPN companies?
  - trinix912 2y ago
    Another point to consider here is that VPNs usually have a pretty low monthly data limit and kids won't bother paying for a VPN to access something they can also access through Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts. A third thing to consider is the network effect. If (hypothetically) in Russia, every other teen uses VPN to post on an otherwise unavailable platform, there's enough content made by Russians there to get fellow Russians interested. OTOH, if in the US, the majority of the kids stop going there, there will be less relatable content that kids would be interested in. Those that exited the platform would publish their stuff elsewhere, and that's where everyone would eventually end up going.