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It's a global company right? What if they just don't respond. How does it get banned.

Leary 2y ago
1. Apps stores remove them. 2. Any transactions paying the creators are banned. Any Tiktok shopping stuff banned. 3. ISPs?
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  App Stores maybe. But US doesn't have a national Fire Wall like China. So on one hand we don't have the ability to block content/internet like China, but we seem to want to be more like China and be able to?
- wruza 2y ago
  Creators start begging for patreon support, tiktok operates at its own expense as a webapp, users set up vpn in case it gets banned at isp. Domestic alternatives continue to suck and fail to attract users. Nothing new under the sun.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    > users set up vpn You'll lose most audience to a competitor that doesn't require VPN at this step.
    - wruza 2y ago
      Not with tiktok, and “we have tiktok at home” doesn’t work on teens. I have a <10yo niece, guess what I find on my grandmas tablet every time she visits? Right, a new vpn app. We are in Russia, and no one watches rutube. Even my grandma said it’s useless crap with no content and turns her personal ovpn profile on and off to visit differently banned services. Everyone is still on youtube, both viewers and creators. It’s only hard for a week, then you get used to it and it gets normalized in the society. You US just have to live through your first real-sized ban, then that rule stops working. Bans are snakeoil, except for North Korean style. You actually do have a chance iff someone manages to catch the essence of tiktok and implement it at home without screwing everything up, so better do not.
      - asadotzler 2y ago
        VPN use is only about 1/3rd globally and only about 1/4th in the Americas. Sure, TikTok could mount a massive campaign to get people off of its (in the future) banned in the app stores app and onto the web and then get them to install VPNs, but in the end they'd easily lose 80-90% of their users. Is TikTok with 10-20% of its users in the US still a problem? Maybe, but not nearly the problem TikTok is with 100% of its users.
        preciousoo 2y ago
        Network effects of TT are stronger than anything that's ever come before it. Come to think of it, there any publicly tradable VPN companies?
      - trinix912 2y ago
        Another point to consider here is that VPNs usually have a pretty low monthly data limit and kids won't bother paying for a VPN to access something they can also access through Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts. A third thing to consider is the network effect. If (hypothetically) in Russia, every other teen uses VPN to post on an otherwise unavailable platform, there's enough content made by Russians there to get fellow Russians interested. OTOH, if in the US, the majority of the kids stop going there, there will be less relatable content that kids would be interested in. Those that exited the platform would publish their stuff elsewhere, and that's where everyone would eventually end up going.
lux_scintilla 2y ago
"the law would require app store companies, like Apple and Google, and internet hosting providers to stop supporting TikTok, effectively banning the app."
- tzs 2y ago
  I've not used TikTok but from what I've seen most of what it does seems like it could be done well purely on the web, except maybe video creation but shooting a video in an app and uploading to the web doesn't seem like it would be too onerous. So what happens if they do make a pure web version, and host that on servers outside the US?
  - codedokode 2y ago
    Blocking? You can't outsmart politicians using technology.
  - jwlake 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure this is a big enough mote to let insta and youtube kill it.
- wruza 2y ago
  That’s not effective at all, as the practice shows in all censorships where internet access is still available.
  - FeteCommuniste 2y ago
    Maybe not effective as a full ban but once it got ejected from all the app stores, how much trouble is the average person going to take to keep accessing it rather than switching to some other source to get their short video fix?
esbranson 2y ago
Imprisonment. Eventually, executives will want to spend their wealth in a First World country.
cesarb 2y ago
> What if they just don't respond. How does it get banned. We had a very recent example of how that can work here in Brazil. Like the USA, we have hundreds of independent ISPs, and no national firewall. Twitter tried the "just don't respond", and got banned for over a month (the ban was lifted once Twitter gave up and cooperated with the courts).

1. Apps stores remove them. 2. Any transactions paying the creators are banned. Any Tiktok shopping stuff banned. 3. ISPs?

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
App Stores maybe. But US doesn't have a national Fire Wall like China. So on one hand we don't have the ability to block content/internet like China, but we seem to want to be more like China and be able to?
wruza 2y ago
Creators start begging for patreon support, tiktok operates at its own expense as a webapp, users set up vpn in case it gets banned at isp. Domestic alternatives continue to suck and fail to attract users. Nothing new under the sun.
- codedokode 2y ago
  > users set up vpn You'll lose most audience to a competitor that doesn't require VPN at this step.
  - wruza 2y ago
    Not with tiktok, and “we have tiktok at home” doesn’t work on teens. I have a <10yo niece, guess what I find on my grandmas tablet every time she visits? Right, a new vpn app. We are in Russia, and no one watches rutube. Even my grandma said it’s useless crap with no content and turns her personal ovpn profile on and off to visit differently banned services. Everyone is still on youtube, both viewers and creators. It’s only hard for a week, then you get used to it and it gets normalized in the society. You US just have to live through your first real-sized ban, then that rule stops working. Bans are snakeoil, except for North Korean style. You actually do have a chance iff someone manages to catch the essence of tiktok and implement it at home without screwing everything up, so better do not.
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      VPN use is only about 1/3rd globally and only about 1/4th in the Americas. Sure, TikTok could mount a massive campaign to get people off of its (in the future) banned in the app stores app and onto the web and then get them to install VPNs, but in the end they'd easily lose 80-90% of their users. Is TikTok with 10-20% of its users in the US still a problem? Maybe, but not nearly the problem TikTok is with 100% of its users.
      - preciousoo 2y ago
        Network effects of TT are stronger than anything that's ever come before it. Come to think of it, there any publicly tradable VPN companies?
    - trinix912 2y ago
      Another point to consider here is that VPNs usually have a pretty low monthly data limit and kids won't bother paying for a VPN to access something they can also access through Instagram Reels or YouTube Shorts. A third thing to consider is the network effect. If (hypothetically) in Russia, every other teen uses VPN to post on an otherwise unavailable platform, there's enough content made by Russians there to get fellow Russians interested. OTOH, if in the US, the majority of the kids stop going there, there will be less relatable content that kids would be interested in. Those that exited the platform would publish their stuff elsewhere, and that's where everyone would eventually end up going.

lux_scintilla 2y ago

"the law would require app store companies, like Apple and Google, and internet hosting providers to stop supporting TikTok, effectively banning the app."

tzs 2y ago
I've not used TikTok but from what I've seen most of what it does seems like it could be done well purely on the web, except maybe video creation but shooting a video in an app and uploading to the web doesn't seem like it would be too onerous. So what happens if they do make a pure web version, and host that on servers outside the US?
- codedokode 2y ago
  Blocking? You can't outsmart politicians using technology.
- jwlake 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure this is a big enough mote to let insta and youtube kill it.
wruza 2y ago
That’s not effective at all, as the practice shows in all censorships where internet access is still available.
- FeteCommuniste 2y ago
  Maybe not effective as a full ban but once it got ejected from all the app stores, how much trouble is the average person going to take to keep accessing it rather than switching to some other source to get their short video fix?

esbranson 2y ago

Imprisonment. Eventually, executives will want to spend their wealth in a First World country.

cesarb 2y ago

> What if they just don't respond. How does it get banned. We had a very recent example of how that can work here in Brazil. Like the USA, we have hundreds of independent ISPs, and no national firewall. Twitter tried the "just don't respond", and got banned for over a month (the ban was lifted once Twitter gave up and cooperated with the courts).