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Study: RTO mandates are making it harder for companies to hire

27 points by znpy 2y ago

evanjrowley 2y ago
Let these companies fall on their own sword. Remote workers rise up!
- Two4 2y ago
  No the couch is too comfy
GenerWork 2y ago
I recently accepted an offer with a company that's doing RTO. However, I've also had companies reaching out to me who are offering full remote. I'm confident that I can get at least 1 offer from the remote companies, and as a result I'm seriously considering renegging on my offer from the RTO company.
- nine_zeros 2y ago
  Renege it. And tell them the real reason. They need to know that they are losing candidates because of RTO. When they don't hear this information, they live in their own bubble.
  - GenerWork 2y ago
    I'd have to reimburse them for certain costs, but it'd pay off in the long run, and on top of it, I'd be happier.
    - xingped 2y ago
      Sounds like you already know what to do!
nine_zeros 2y ago
I couldn't care less about companies that couldn't care about me.
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Nasrudith 2y ago
Well of course, you are taking a subset of the total online job-seeking population (those close enough or willing to relocate) instead of the whole set. That would remain true even if working from home remained something very niche.
jurschreuder 2y ago
From an employer's perspective: Why hire someone if they're going to be remote? Then I might as well hire someone from Brazil. Almost the same culture, 1/8th the price. What's the difference for me as an employer if someone is remote from 10km away or 5000km away? It's great that you feel like you're more productive at home, but it's still capitalism with supply and demand, and there are much cheaper remote employees with exactly the same webcam stream.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  You would get laughed out of the room if you limited your customer base to only those within commuting distance of your office, but for some reason with employees, the model is different? You want the broad market TAM but the local employee control. Certainly, if you think you can hire in Brazil, why have you not attempted to do so yet? The only way for you to know for sure if this model would work is to attempt it. I do wonder if the US is going to begin to tariff goods coming in from outside of the country, if they will also start to look at offshore labor to penalize economically.
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  - cucho 2y ago
    Offshore labor is already penalized: For tax purposes under Section 174, costs for US devs must be amortized over 5 years, while costs for offshore devs are amortized over 15 years.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      And yet, many firms continue to offshore to Central America, South America, Eastern Europe, and India for technology labor (Africa as well for ML/AI data labeling). Lots of room for policy to run here.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      This assumes that your off-shore is doing CAPEX work...
msarrel 2y ago
And yet someone wants us to believe this garbage: AI startups are snatching up San Francisco offices, using Zoom fatigue to recruit talent https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/ai-startups-snatch-san-francisco-offices-use-zoom-fatigue-to-recruit.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/ai-startups-snatch-san-franc... People want to go to the office they say. No, no they don't.
Chengdavid 2y ago
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27 points by znpy 2y ago

evanjrowley 2y ago

Let these companies fall on their own sword. Remote workers rise up!

Two4 2y ago
No the couch is too comfy

GenerWork 2y ago

I recently accepted an offer with a company that's doing RTO. However, I've also had companies reaching out to me who are offering full remote. I'm confident that I can get at least 1 offer from the remote companies, and as a result I'm seriously considering renegging on my offer from the RTO company.

nine_zeros 2y ago
Renege it. And tell them the real reason. They need to know that they are losing candidates because of RTO. When they don't hear this information, they live in their own bubble.
- GenerWork 2y ago
  I'd have to reimburse them for certain costs, but it'd pay off in the long run, and on top of it, I'd be happier.
  - xingped 2y ago
    Sounds like you already know what to do!

nine_zeros 2y ago

I couldn't care less about companies that couldn't care about me.

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Nasrudith 2y ago

Well of course, you are taking a subset of the total online job-seeking population (those close enough or willing to relocate) instead of the whole set. That would remain true even if working from home remained something very niche.

jurschreuder 2y ago

From an employer's perspective: Why hire someone if they're going to be remote? Then I might as well hire someone from Brazil. Almost the same culture, 1/8th the price. What's the difference for me as an employer if someone is remote from 10km away or 5000km away? It's great that you feel like you're more productive at home, but it's still capitalism with supply and demand, and there are much cheaper remote employees with exactly the same webcam stream.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
You would get laughed out of the room if you limited your customer base to only those within commuting distance of your office, but for some reason with employees, the model is different? You want the broad market TAM but the local employee control. Certainly, if you think you can hire in Brazil, why have you not attempted to do so yet? The only way for you to know for sure if this model would work is to attempt it. I do wonder if the US is going to begin to tariff goods coming in from outside of the country, if they will also start to look at offshore labor to penalize economically.
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- cucho 2y ago
  Offshore labor is already penalized: For tax purposes under Section 174, costs for US devs must be amortized over 5 years, while costs for offshore devs are amortized over 15 years.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    And yet, many firms continue to offshore to Central America, South America, Eastern Europe, and India for technology labor (Africa as well for ML/AI data labeling). Lots of room for policy to run here.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    This assumes that your off-shore is doing CAPEX work...

msarrel 2y ago

And yet someone wants us to believe this garbage: AI startups are snatching up San Francisco offices, using Zoom fatigue to recruit talent https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/ai-startups-snatch-san-francisco-offices-use-zoom-fatigue-to-recruit.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/ai-startups-snatch-san-franc... People want to go to the office they say. No, no they don't.

Chengdavid 2y ago

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