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1. Advertisements without data are worthless. At a minimum you need a mechanism to combat click fraud and that requires detailed profiles and tracking on users
by kmeisthax 2y ago
1. Advertisements without data are worthless. At a minimum you need a mechanism to combat click fraud and that requires detailed profiles and tracking on users to determine the economic value of those users.
2. This is a vanishingly small subset of ads.
3. While advertisers do not directly receive your data, you do still get tracked. Furthermore, the infrastructure undergirding ad tracking is comically easy to appropriate for law enforcement and national security purposes; the CIA buys a shitton of ad tracking data from data brokers.
Furthermore, targeted advertising, even if used as intended without any law enforcement spook tracking nonsense, is still a nightmare because it allows fraudsters to target ads directly to their most optimal marks. Think about how good Facebook is at showing your grandpa a bunch of fake ads for fraudulent products and scams. Scamming online got a lot more efficient with targeted advertising.
4. The double dip still exists even if data isn't tracked because I don't want to see ads. I am paying to remove them. In fact, I shouldn't even have to pay to remove the tracking; that should be free, and under EU law it is free.
5. A lot of subscriptions actually were sold as no ads, because that's the thing people want.
6. The correct amount of ads are zero. Because ads are not information, they are attacks, in the same way that social engineering is an attack.
- ksec 2y ago1. Not all ads are pay per click. There are still plenty of old fashion ad slot in podcast, video or even web page. See Darling Fireball, currently running 1Password Ad. 2. This happen a lot more in publishing industry than people would like to admit. 3. I dont disagree here. But most site still dont sell your data. Which is my point about double dipping. Tracking, however is another issue and I dont support it. 4, 5. I think there is where the top / my comment and the opinion of others on HN differs. No one, and even in this case the Verge ever said there will be zero ads. 6. Ads are everywhere. Newsletters, communication from Visa, Master, AMEX, App Store, Promotional material on discount, etc All have Ads. To suggest they have zero information or value to users is simply ignoring how large part of the world works.