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I find it hard to believe the US cared about civilian life in Iraq when the US military took out Iraq's water treatment facilities in the Gulf war then imposed

I find it hard to believe the US cared about civilian life in Iraq when the US military took out Iraq's water treatment facilities in the Gulf war then imposed sanctions to make sure they can't be repaired, killing 500,000 children in only the first 4 years of 12 years of sanctions. Even more chilling is the interview with Madeleine Albright, former secretary of state, where she literally says the 500,000 died Iraqi children was worth it.

lern_too_spel 2y ago
The Albright quote is apocryphal. https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/
- kamikazeturtles 2y ago
  There is a video clip from the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xL_6_GlU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xL_6_GlU4 The US intentionally took out water and sewage treatment facilities in the Gulf war and placed particular sanctions to make sure the population didn't have a clean water supply and so diseases could spread. Based on Wikileaks and declassified documents. https://progressive.org/latest/pentagon-documents-show-u.s.-intentionally-used-sanctions-destroy-iraq-s-water-supply./ https://progressive.org/latest/pentagon-documents-show-u.s.-...
  - lern_too_spel 2y ago
    You're right. I misinterpreted the article's discussion of a lack of sources talking about the quote as being a lack of sources for the quote.
- yowzadave 2y ago
  Your link does not support the claim that the Albright quote is apocryphal--it in fact repeats the quote and notes that Albright does not dispute the "half million" figure, and characterizes other attempts to minimize the figure as obsolete and discredited.
throwawaymaths 2y ago
Nobody said anything about the US caring about civilians. In fact i implied the US targetted civilians. So, the extremeness of your bias is showing. My point is about false equivalences. In support of some extreme ideology, you have basically reached for every false equivalence you could have, without thinking through it at all.
- kamikazeturtles 2y ago
  I find problem with when people chalk up all the civilian deaths to "sectarian violence" as if carpet bombing whole cities, including even bomb shelters designated for civilians, hospitals, and press offices ... , doesn't kill civilians. Not to mention all the birth defects from the uranium from all those dropped bombs. The mental gymnastics many people make to justify the war crimes in Iraq and all the other places the US invaded, terrifies me as to what new atrocities we are yet to witness.
  - throwawaymaths 2y ago
    what part of "Civilians got targetted" did you misunderstand?

lern_too_spel 2y ago

The Albright quote is apocryphal. https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

kamikazeturtles 2y ago
There is a video clip from the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xL_6_GlU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xL_6_GlU4 The US intentionally took out water and sewage treatment facilities in the Gulf war and placed particular sanctions to make sure the population didn't have a clean water supply and so diseases could spread. Based on Wikileaks and declassified documents. https://progressive.org/latest/pentagon-documents-show-u.s.-intentionally-used-sanctions-destroy-iraq-s-water-supply./ https://progressive.org/latest/pentagon-documents-show-u.s.-...
- lern_too_spel 2y ago
  You're right. I misinterpreted the article's discussion of a lack of sources talking about the quote as being a lack of sources for the quote.
yowzadave 2y ago
Your link does not support the claim that the Albright quote is apocryphal--it in fact repeats the quote and notes that Albright does not dispute the "half million" figure, and characterizes other attempts to minimize the figure as obsolete and discredited.

throwawaymaths 2y ago

Nobody said anything about the US caring about civilians. In fact i implied the US targetted civilians. So, the extremeness of your bias is showing. My point is about false equivalences. In support of some extreme ideology, you have basically reached for every false equivalence you could have, without thinking through it at all.

kamikazeturtles 2y ago
I find problem with when people chalk up all the civilian deaths to "sectarian violence" as if carpet bombing whole cities, including even bomb shelters designated for civilians, hospitals, and press offices ... , doesn't kill civilians. Not to mention all the birth defects from the uranium from all those dropped bombs. The mental gymnastics many people make to justify the war crimes in Iraq and all the other places the US invaded, terrifies me as to what new atrocities we are yet to witness.
- throwawaymaths 2y ago
  what part of "Civilians got targetted" did you misunderstand?