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The article presents no evidence that the election was fraudulent.

decremental 2y ago
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piva00 2y ago
You can go read the CCR decision yourself: https://www.ccr.ro/comunicat-de-presa-6-decembrie-2024/ https://www.ccr.ro/comunicat-de-presa-6-decembrie-2024/ Please do some research before the knee-jerk reactionary take, it's more conducive to any discussion than inviting the mouth-frothers to fester about something you and they have no idea about.
- deleted 2y ago
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- anon291 2y ago
  I cannot read Romanian. Given the language barrier one would expect the BBC to at least do a bit of translation for its English speaking audience.
  - simion314 2y ago
    There should be links to other artciles on BBC, like TicTok admitting the bots farms used, a big one from Ruzzia. We here in Romania are following this for weeks so we know all this details, hard to find now english links, but imagine some candiate having the guts to declare zero spending in campaign, like how is this possible? I will try to find the tTic Tok admitting the issue, maybe then the skeptics can accept it or maybe they will claim Romanian gov controls Tc Tok Edit https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-campaigns-during-romania-elections-european-parliament/ https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-c... https://www.dw.com/en/eu-probes-tiktok-after-surprise-win-in-romania-election/a-70972954 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-probes-tiktok-after-surprise-win-in... I am sure there is more but Tic Tok found this "by mistake", they also did nothing about electoral content not being labeled correctly.
    - anon291 2y ago
      I mean, even if his campaign finances are declared wrong, it's still shocking that this leads to an election being overturned. Using my own experience in America, misdeclaring finances (which has been done by Clinton, Trump, Biden, Harris, etc) leads to fines from the FEC, not an election being overturned.
      - simion314 2y ago
        The point with the fraud is to make it clear the guy character, what character or personality trait someone has if the declares ZERO money spent but in fact he spent a lot ? Would such a person accept help from his friends in Kremlin? Would he screw Romanians over ? Keeping in mind this and the fact Ruzzian troll networks were involved this makes it so our country president would be decided in Kremlin, this is not democratic. I know in USA you elected a criminal but I would prefer we do not have a criminal and Ruzzian puppet
        anon291 2y ago
        In a democracy, the people are allowed to elect a criminal into office. Not allowing that simply allows one administration to weaponize justice to keep their opponents out of office. This adherence to 'norms' that many democratic states insist on today is the reason why so many of them end up falling to dictatorships and America just keeps chugging along. > The point with the fraud is to make it clear the guy character, what character or personality trait someone has if the declares ZERO money spent but in fact he spent a lot ? Would such a person accept help from his friends in Kremlin? Would he screw Romanians over ? Once again, I'll reiterate my point that you seem to be confused as to what democracy is. You're allowed to be a shitty person and to be elected if that's what your country's people want. The time to make these arguments was before the election. And the people to make them to was your fellow countrymen, not random foreigners online. If there was some confusion regarding that, maybe you'll have better luck next time.
        simion314 2y ago
        >Once again, I'll reiterate my point that you seem to be confused as to what democracy is. You're allowed to be a shitty person and to be elected if that's what your country's people want. The time to make these arguments was before the election. And the people to make them to was your fellow countrymen, not random foreigners online. If there was some confusion regarding that, maybe you'll have better luck next time. There is no confussion, it is legal to ask the courts to declare an election void because illegal stuff happened like fraud, or the candidate did not followed the electoral laws. It is a shame that the fraud or Ruzzian influence evidence did not appeared before the campaign started but they were clever about this, the guy was less then 1% in oppinions polls and nobody know who he is. Theadministration does not order the Constitutional Court around and the vote was in unanimity. I suggest you keep an eye on this and what new evidence will appear, sorry that our system does not allow a criminal to be president if he managed to trick some people. Also probably you are not aware, the presidential elections were in two tours, so the fascist guy gained 25% votes , he did not win 51% votes and the elections were cancelled , the final tour was cancelled because of the interference.
- not_your_vase 2y ago
  To be fair, your link lacks this info also. Firefox's translation (also, apparently FF can now translate from Romanian, nice!): > The arguments retained in the reasoning of the solution given by the Plenum of the Constitutional Court will be presented in the decision, which will be published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I. Basically "we'll tell you later"
  - mionhe 2y ago
    Simpler translation would be that the entire decision, including all of the arguments that led to it, will be published in said gazette. Still "we'll tell you later", but a little easier to parse than the ML.
- fagfinder 2y ago
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- ipaddr 2y ago
  Did you read it? It's a complete joke. PRESS RELEASE, December 6, 2024 In the meeting of December 6, 2024, the Constitutional Court, in order to ensure the correctness and legality of the electoral process, exercised its attribution provided by art. 146 letter f) of the Constitution and, with unanimity of votes, decided the following: 1. Pursuant to art. 146 letter f) of the Constitution, annuls the entire electoral process regarding the election of the President of Romania, carried out on the basis of Government Decision no. 756/2024 regarding the establishment of the date of the elections for the President of Romania in 2024 and Government Decision no. .1061/2024 regarding the approval of the Calendar Program for carrying out the necessary actions for the election of the President of Romania in the year 2024. 2. The electoral process for the election of the President of Romania will be resumed in its entirety, with the Government going to set a new date for the election of the President of Romania, as well as a new calendar program for carrying out the necessary actions. 3. This decision is final and generally binding, it is published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I, and is brought to public knowledge. • The arguments retained in justifying the solution pronounced by the Plenary of the Constitutional Court will be presented in the content of the decision, which will be published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I. The Department of External Relations, Press Relations and Protocol of the Constitutional Court
- braincat31415 2y ago
  Mind pointing out where is the evidence at the link you provided? Maybe you should take your own suggestion.

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You can go read the CCR decision yourself: https://www.ccr.ro/comunicat-de-presa-6-decembrie-2024/ https://www.ccr.ro/comunicat-de-presa-6-decembrie-2024/ Please do some research before the knee-jerk reactionary take, it's more conducive to any discussion than inviting the mouth-frothers to fester about something you and they have no idea about.

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anon291 2y ago
I cannot read Romanian. Given the language barrier one would expect the BBC to at least do a bit of translation for its English speaking audience.
- simion314 2y ago
  There should be links to other artciles on BBC, like TicTok admitting the bots farms used, a big one from Ruzzia. We here in Romania are following this for weeks so we know all this details, hard to find now english links, but imagine some candiate having the guts to declare zero spending in campaign, like how is this possible? I will try to find the tTic Tok admitting the issue, maybe then the skeptics can accept it or maybe they will claim Romanian gov controls Tc Tok Edit https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-campaigns-during-romania-elections-european-parliament/ https://www.politico.eu/article/tiktok-removed-3-influence-c... https://www.dw.com/en/eu-probes-tiktok-after-surprise-win-in-romania-election/a-70972954 https://www.dw.com/en/eu-probes-tiktok-after-surprise-win-in... I am sure there is more but Tic Tok found this "by mistake", they also did nothing about electoral content not being labeled correctly.
  - anon291 2y ago
    I mean, even if his campaign finances are declared wrong, it's still shocking that this leads to an election being overturned. Using my own experience in America, misdeclaring finances (which has been done by Clinton, Trump, Biden, Harris, etc) leads to fines from the FEC, not an election being overturned.
    - simion314 2y ago
      The point with the fraud is to make it clear the guy character, what character or personality trait someone has if the declares ZERO money spent but in fact he spent a lot ? Would such a person accept help from his friends in Kremlin? Would he screw Romanians over ? Keeping in mind this and the fact Ruzzian troll networks were involved this makes it so our country president would be decided in Kremlin, this is not democratic. I know in USA you elected a criminal but I would prefer we do not have a criminal and Ruzzian puppet
      - anon291 2y ago
        In a democracy, the people are allowed to elect a criminal into office. Not allowing that simply allows one administration to weaponize justice to keep their opponents out of office. This adherence to 'norms' that many democratic states insist on today is the reason why so many of them end up falling to dictatorships and America just keeps chugging along. > The point with the fraud is to make it clear the guy character, what character or personality trait someone has if the declares ZERO money spent but in fact he spent a lot ? Would such a person accept help from his friends in Kremlin? Would he screw Romanians over ? Once again, I'll reiterate my point that you seem to be confused as to what democracy is. You're allowed to be a shitty person and to be elected if that's what your country's people want. The time to make these arguments was before the election. And the people to make them to was your fellow countrymen, not random foreigners online. If there was some confusion regarding that, maybe you'll have better luck next time.
        simion314 2y ago
        >Once again, I'll reiterate my point that you seem to be confused as to what democracy is. You're allowed to be a shitty person and to be elected if that's what your country's people want. The time to make these arguments was before the election. And the people to make them to was your fellow countrymen, not random foreigners online. If there was some confusion regarding that, maybe you'll have better luck next time. There is no confussion, it is legal to ask the courts to declare an election void because illegal stuff happened like fraud, or the candidate did not followed the electoral laws. It is a shame that the fraud or Ruzzian influence evidence did not appeared before the campaign started but they were clever about this, the guy was less then 1% in oppinions polls and nobody know who he is. Theadministration does not order the Constitutional Court around and the vote was in unanimity. I suggest you keep an eye on this and what new evidence will appear, sorry that our system does not allow a criminal to be president if he managed to trick some people. Also probably you are not aware, the presidential elections were in two tours, so the fascist guy gained 25% votes , he did not win 51% votes and the elections were cancelled , the final tour was cancelled because of the interference.
not_your_vase 2y ago
To be fair, your link lacks this info also. Firefox's translation (also, apparently FF can now translate from Romanian, nice!): > The arguments retained in the reasoning of the solution given by the Plenum of the Constitutional Court will be presented in the decision, which will be published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I. Basically "we'll tell you later"
- mionhe 2y ago
  Simpler translation would be that the entire decision, including all of the arguments that led to it, will be published in said gazette. Still "we'll tell you later", but a little easier to parse than the ML.
fagfinder 2y ago
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ipaddr 2y ago
Did you read it? It's a complete joke. PRESS RELEASE, December 6, 2024 In the meeting of December 6, 2024, the Constitutional Court, in order to ensure the correctness and legality of the electoral process, exercised its attribution provided by art. 146 letter f) of the Constitution and, with unanimity of votes, decided the following: 1. Pursuant to art. 146 letter f) of the Constitution, annuls the entire electoral process regarding the election of the President of Romania, carried out on the basis of Government Decision no. 756/2024 regarding the establishment of the date of the elections for the President of Romania in 2024 and Government Decision no. .1061/2024 regarding the approval of the Calendar Program for carrying out the necessary actions for the election of the President of Romania in the year 2024. 2. The electoral process for the election of the President of Romania will be resumed in its entirety, with the Government going to set a new date for the election of the President of Romania, as well as a new calendar program for carrying out the necessary actions. 3. This decision is final and generally binding, it is published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I, and is brought to public knowledge. • The arguments retained in justifying the solution pronounced by the Plenary of the Constitutional Court will be presented in the content of the decision, which will be published in the Official Gazette of Romania, Part I. The Department of External Relations, Press Relations and Protocol of the Constitutional Court
braincat31415 2y ago
Mind pointing out where is the evidence at the link you provided? Maybe you should take your own suggestion.