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The dirty games Ukraine is performing are exactly the same as Russia is doing. Both countries are corrupt in an extreme fashion. Just check out how the Ukrainia

The dirty games Ukraine is performing are exactly the same as Russia is doing. Both countries are corrupt in an extreme fashion. Just check out how the Ukrainian TCC grabs people from the street and send them to the meatgrinders. Warcrimes are everywhere there.

Tade0 2y ago
Huge difference in levels of corruption between the two countries. For one, Ukraine ousted Poroshenko after just one term, because he didn't deliver. Meanwhile Russia has been stuck in a cult of personality leadership since the beginning of the 21st century.
aguaviva 2y ago
Just check out how the Ukrainian TCC grabs people from the street and send them to the meatgrinders. No, it's just very bad policy. Taken by a government in a very desperate situation. The fact that you cite this as your primary example suggests that you aren't quite sure what "corruption" actually is.
realusername 2y ago
Ukraine has no alternative to mass conscription, if there's one, I'm happy to hear about it. Russia has one alternative to mass conscription though, stopping the war.
- fragmede 2y ago
  If Ukraine had any missiles, tipped with nuclear warheads, aimed at Moscow, the situation might be different.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    And if my mom had balls she would be my dad, but that's not the case. IFs of the past don't change the present situation.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      If's of the future don't change the present situation either, but now that they've restored power using their nuclear power plants, the question for the future of the planet is what's going to happen. Ukraine is currently signatory to the NPT and follows the IAEA rules about not making nukes, but Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum, so the alternative to mass conscription, is for them to develop nukes. If the US chooses to withdraw support, is Ukraine going to manage to hang on for 5 years to develop their own nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Ukraine has no alternative to mass conscription, if there's one, I'm happy to hear about it. The problem with the mass conscription going on on paper in Ukraine is that it's not really applied in mass in practice, but only selectively targeting the poor people without connections who can't leave, bribe or game the system to escape the draft. The wealthy men with means have long left the country or got papers to escape the draft, so only the poor suckers end up dying on the front line. That's the problem, the selective draft. If it were truly a mass draft affecting the rich and poor alike evenly, things would be different, but that's not the case. Hell, I would dodge the draft too if I could. Why should I die to protect the wealth of some oligarchs and the interests of great powers? What did the country do for me that deserves my sacrifice? What even is a country if not just a lot of land that doesn't really belong to me but to some oligarchs and foreign corporations who exploited me every step of my life? Fuck'em! I don't care about that land since I don't own any of it, I care about my life, and I can start a new life in another land. If I must die to protect it I want to see first the rich and powerful people dying alongside with me instead of drinking champagne abroad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwC1NbbY0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwC1NbbY0c
- holoduke 2y ago
  Tell that to the western elitists that deliberately pushed Ukraine into a position to let have Russia no other choice to intervene. The west will never stop waging war. Its in their dna. The US alone is riddled with weapons and violence. And yet its inhabitants are defending it. Pathetic.
  - myrmidon 2y ago
    > let have Russia no other choice to intervene. Could you expand on this? Why did Russia have no choice apart from trying to annex Ukraine?`Because to me it appears like they have all the choice, still, they just don't want to stop trying.
  - realusername 2y ago
    Russia is attacking every neighbors they can and the fault is somehow .... the western elite. You would think that would be the fault of Putin to turn Russia into a neo-nazi country and annexing neighbours but apparently not.
  - ojl 2y ago
    In what way did Ukraine and the west threaten Russia? What bad thing do you believe would have happened to Russia if they hadn’t decided to invade and destroy big parts of Ukraine? It’s difficult for me to imagine that they had no other choice.
    - holoduke 2y ago
      Its the economic pressure western nations use to bully other countries. They aggressively bought themself into Ukraine by bribing officials and other key persons. Its no secret that companies like Monsanto and others played dirty games and did not care for it citizens at all. Just like now. Or do you believe there any sympathy for Ukrainian citizens from western powers. Of course not. They only see dollars and more dollars. Ultimately the west with its economic expansion greed needs Russia to fall apart so that they can continue to grab what they need.
      - 2y ago

Tade0 2y ago

Huge difference in levels of corruption between the two countries. For one, Ukraine ousted Poroshenko after just one term, because he didn't deliver. Meanwhile Russia has been stuck in a cult of personality leadership since the beginning of the 21st century.

aguaviva 2y ago

Just check out how the Ukrainian TCC grabs people from the street and send them to the meatgrinders. No, it's just very bad policy. Taken by a government in a very desperate situation. The fact that you cite this as your primary example suggests that you aren't quite sure what "corruption" actually is.

realusername 2y ago

Ukraine has no alternative to mass conscription, if there's one, I'm happy to hear about it. Russia has one alternative to mass conscription though, stopping the war.

fragmede 2y ago
If Ukraine had any missiles, tipped with nuclear warheads, aimed at Moscow, the situation might be different.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  And if my mom had balls she would be my dad, but that's not the case. IFs of the past don't change the present situation.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    If's of the future don't change the present situation either, but now that they've restored power using their nuclear power plants, the question for the future of the planet is what's going to happen. Ukraine is currently signatory to the NPT and follows the IAEA rules about not making nukes, but Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum, so the alternative to mass conscription, is for them to develop nukes. If the US chooses to withdraw support, is Ukraine going to manage to hang on for 5 years to develop their own nuclear weapons and delivery systems?
Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Ukraine has no alternative to mass conscription, if there's one, I'm happy to hear about it. The problem with the mass conscription going on on paper in Ukraine is that it's not really applied in mass in practice, but only selectively targeting the poor people without connections who can't leave, bribe or game the system to escape the draft. The wealthy men with means have long left the country or got papers to escape the draft, so only the poor suckers end up dying on the front line. That's the problem, the selective draft. If it were truly a mass draft affecting the rich and poor alike evenly, things would be different, but that's not the case. Hell, I would dodge the draft too if I could. Why should I die to protect the wealth of some oligarchs and the interests of great powers? What did the country do for me that deserves my sacrifice? What even is a country if not just a lot of land that doesn't really belong to me but to some oligarchs and foreign corporations who exploited me every step of my life? Fuck'em! I don't care about that land since I don't own any of it, I care about my life, and I can start a new life in another land. If I must die to protect it I want to see first the rich and powerful people dying alongside with me instead of drinking champagne abroad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwC1NbbY0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwC1NbbY0c
holoduke 2y ago
Tell that to the western elitists that deliberately pushed Ukraine into a position to let have Russia no other choice to intervene. The west will never stop waging war. Its in their dna. The US alone is riddled with weapons and violence. And yet its inhabitants are defending it. Pathetic.
- myrmidon 2y ago
  > let have Russia no other choice to intervene. Could you expand on this? Why did Russia have no choice apart from trying to annex Ukraine?`Because to me it appears like they have all the choice, still, they just don't want to stop trying.
- realusername 2y ago
  Russia is attacking every neighbors they can and the fault is somehow .... the western elite. You would think that would be the fault of Putin to turn Russia into a neo-nazi country and annexing neighbours but apparently not.
- ojl 2y ago
  In what way did Ukraine and the west threaten Russia? What bad thing do you believe would have happened to Russia if they hadn’t decided to invade and destroy big parts of Ukraine? It’s difficult for me to imagine that they had no other choice.
  - holoduke 2y ago
    Its the economic pressure western nations use to bully other countries. They aggressively bought themself into Ukraine by bribing officials and other key persons. Its no secret that companies like Monsanto and others played dirty games and did not care for it citizens at all. Just like now. Or do you believe there any sympathy for Ukrainian citizens from western powers. Of course not. They only see dollars and more dollars. Ultimately the west with its economic expansion greed needs Russia to fall apart so that they can continue to grab what they need.
    - 2y ago