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I can't think of any other product that makes it to the HN frontpage so consistently. I guess Kagi really hits the bullseye in terms of HN as a target audience.
by hubraumhugo 2y ago
I can't think of any other product that makes it to the HN frontpage so consistently. I guess Kagi really hits the bullseye in terms of HN as a target audience.
- larme 2y agoIt indicates how much does google search suck nowadays.
- IgorPartola 2y agoTo be precise, it might indicate how much Google sucks specifically for the HN audience. I have never seen Kagi mentioned outside of HN. Not that I disagree that Google has ruined the web lately but let’s not assume that this means Kagi will eat their lunch just yet.
- netdevphoenix 2y agoMonopolies are not easy to defeat. Look at how bad IE was and how much better FF and Chrome were. Both were free and yet IE still dominated for a very long time.
- move-on-by 2y agoI’m a happy Kagi user. I set it up on my wife’s phone… she was relieved when the trial was over and I set Google back up. I’m starting to think this line of thought is more accurate than just ‘Google sucks now’. It depends on your demographic. I think Google has become so optimized for people who click on ads that they have alienated people who do not. I never click on ads. Back when I used Google, if I searched for something specific and saw both the ad and the search result I wanted- I just scrolled down to the search result. My wife would just click on the ad, and I think most people do. Beyond that specific example, she clicks on other types of ads as well. For me, I just see them as invasive and hostile. I’m not the type of user Google cares anything about, and maybe that’s why I perceive a drop in quality results.
- IgorPartola 2y agoI think that’s precisely why you perceive it. I am actually curious if anyone has done a large scale rigorous study in perception of search quality among average users.
- cosmosgenius 2y agoKagi is not mentioned true, but there are always talks w.r.t using site, intitle, time (before 2018 eg) filter to improve search. That indirectly can be considered as "having low quality" from one POV.
- IgorPartola 2y agoI would post that most lay people, the ones who make Google their money, know nothing about those tools Google has/used to have.
- dvngnt_ 2y agoit probably wont because it's a paid service. most normal people have been have been shifting their search habits. tiktok (banned soon), youtube, reddit (though many use google to search reddit since their native search isn't good)
- mvavassori 2y agoI know that everybody here likes to bash on Google but i tried ddg, bing, qwant, brave search, all the other niche ones (searx, swisscows, etc...), and i found Google to be still better than all of them, especially for technical stuff.
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoI've been paying for Kagi for the last few months and I guess the compliment I could give is: I have it on some machines but not the other and I don't really notice? when I'm on the kagi one other than ... no ads and no ads-ranked results Which, frankly, I'm willing to pay for. I think it's a good product.
- monkmartinez 2y agoI don't have ads on my SearXNG instance and I find that its comparable to Kagi. Have you tried searching with SearXNG?
- carlosjobim 2y agoWhy go though all that hassle when you can easily use Kagi?
- dexterdog 2y agoWhat is the hassle? I set it up once and just use it. When I hear about search engines that I don't think I want in my mix I go in and turn it off.
- carlosjobim 2y agoI looked into it before Kagi existed and you needed to be a sys admin or developer to be able to use it. It's not for the general public.
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- iLoveOncall 2y ago> I can't think of any other product that makes it to the HN frontpage so consistently Despite having so little paying users. Not even 35,000 lifetime paying users. They can really thank the HN echo-chamber, because without it they would have been forgotten a long time ago, nobody knows about Kagi outside of here.
- raincole 2y agoDepending on your perspective. For "next Google", 35k subscribers is nothing. For a search engine, which has been assumed to be free for the whole decade, 35k paying users is a miracle.
- iLoveOncall 2y agoMy perspective is "tech startup" that reaches the front page of HackerNews on a weekly basis. There are plenty of billion dollar companies that make users pay for something that has always been free (note taking apps just off the top of my head).
- kingstoned 2y agoSubscriber count is not a measure of quality or importance of the service category. Hacker news is less popular than TMZ or the DailyMail, but it is not a lower quality news website.
- daft_pink 2y agoit just works really really well.
- croo 2y agoOr they know how to advertise to their target audience well.